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    How so?
    He shouldn't have started the 8th inning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spanky185 View Post
    He shouldn't have started the 8th inning.
    Hind sight is 20/20. He was clearly their best pitcher this year, seemed to be cruising before the Bregman HR and his P count was still low even considering the short rest.
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    please hire Ron Gardenhire Dave

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    I'm looking forward to Dombrowski's next round of mistakes.
    Empty the farm for Stanton?

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    I wonder if they'll consider Chili Davis?
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    Empty the farm for Stanton?
    Bendi, Devers, Groome, and Chavis for Stanton?

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    Yankees advancing to the ALCS.

    Is Boston in that this year?

    I haven't really been following them but I've heard good things.

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    Peter Abraham just threw up 5 pizzas and about 10 dozen Buffalo wings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HelloNewman View Post
    Peter Abraham just threw up 5 pizzas and about 10 dozen Buffalo wings.
    Haha. In other words, his pre-dinner appetizers.



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    Quote Originally Posted by ArodEra View Post
    Haha. In other words, his pre-dinner appetizers.
    I really miss "The Buffet is Closed," the short-lived make-fun-of-Peter-Abraham website.

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    Tim Kurkjian just said on Mike & Mike that Brad Ausmus is a current candidate for the Red Sox managerial position

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    I enjoyed telling my neighbor that the Yankees will not be joining the Red Sox on the Golf Course today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spanky185 View Post
    He shouldn't have started the 8th inning.
    Well I was not eluding to that, but you are correct, I was watching the game with my friend who is a sox fan and we both thought before the homer, that sale did not belong in the game.

    That being said. Sale was completely overused that year. And while the red sox have flaws. John Farrell does not know how to manage a baseball team
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    Those of you who have spent a lot of time in this thread already know I've been about the biggest Farrell non-fan there is, but I don't like the timing of this. He was fairly competent throughout the regular season and isn't to blame for the Sox postseason exit this year.

    The team's construction is obviously the problem. You went pitching heavy, it worked during the regular season, then the pitching crapped out during the playoffs. It happens. Hell, it happens every year to one or two teams. You could've hedged your bets with just one power bat. There were no surprises here. I was hardly alone when I predicted there would be a dramatic decrease in power this season, and I think that hurt during the playoffs, along with some seriously ................ty umpiring. Grab a big bat and go get 'em next year.

    A lot of Red Sox failure the past few years can be at least partially blamed on Farrell. The 2017 season and playoff run wasn't his fault.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson'sCornrows View Post
    Those of you who have spent a lot of time in this thread already know I've been about the biggest Farrell non-fan there is, but I don't like the timing of this. He was fairly competent throughout the regular season and isn't to blame for the Sox postseason exit this year.

    The team's construction is obviously the problem. You went pitching heavy, it worked during the regular season, then the pitching crapped out during the playoffs. It happens. Hell, it happens every year to one or two teams. You could've hedged your bets with just one power bat. There were no surprises here. I was hardly alone when I predicted there would be a dramatic decrease in power this season, and I think that hurt during the playoffs, along with some seriously ................ty umpiring. Grab a big bat and go get 'em next year.

    A lot of Red Sox failure the past few years can be at least partially blamed on Farrell. The 2017 season and playoff run wasn't his fault.
    I agree with this.
    Although - do you think Farrell 'lost the clubhouse'?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson'sCornrows View Post
    Those of you who have spent a lot of time in this thread already know I've been about the biggest Farrell non-fan there is, but I don't like the timing of this. He was fairly competent throughout the regular season and isn't to blame for the Sox postseason exit this year.

    The team's construction is obviously the problem. You went pitching heavy, it worked during the regular season, then the pitching crapped out during the playoffs. It happens. Hell, it happens every year to one or two teams. You could've hedged your bets with just one power bat. There were no surprises here. I was hardly alone when I predicted there would be a dramatic decrease in power this season, and I think that hurt during the playoffs, along with some seriously ................ty umpiring. Grab a big bat and go get 'em next year.

    A lot of Red Sox failure the past few years can be at least partially blamed on Farrell. The 2017 season and playoff run wasn't his fault.
    Farrel mistakes in game 1 and 2. Not hindsight, just showing his cluelessness

    Playing nunez on bum knee
    not playing Hanley
    Then not moving Hanley up
    Playing maerrero over Devers
    Needed to get sale earlier in game 1
    Left him in too long in game 4
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    Farrel mistakes in game 1 and 2. Not hindsight, just showing his cluelessness
    I'll address these point by point.

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    Playing nunez on bum knee
    Nunez insisted he was good to go, and he had been a spark plug who was responsible for breathing life into our offense even when he personally put up an 0fer.
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    not playing Hanley
    Hanley played like soggy dog ................ the entire stretch run, and especially during the last few weeks of the regular season. Know way of knowing he was gonna heat up until Nunez re-injured himself and forced Hanley back in.
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    Then not moving Hanley up
    Fair point, but most managers don't move a guy up in the order after two nice games, even during the playoffs.
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    Playing maerrero over Devers
    Devers needed a day off. He was chasing any and everything, wasn't connecting on anything, and is a defensive liability. Marrero is defensive gold at 3B.
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    Needed to get sale earlier in game 1
    Fair point, but don't forget that Sale appeared to settle down in the 2nd and 3rd after a rocky 1st.
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    Left him in too long in game 4
    Farrell got run in the 2nd inning trying to protect Pedroia, who had just been called out on a ball with the bases loaded and one out (for context, the previous batter, Bradley, Jr., had also been called out on a ball well off the plate with the bases loaded, nobody out, and a full count). Wouldn't have been a terrible move, anyway; Sale had bite on his fastball that he didn't have game one, depth on his slider that he didn't have game one, and a fairly low pitch count, to boot. Just got unlucky, made a mistake, and gave up a solo jack. It happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweet_lou_14 View Post
    Here's the thing. The Red Sox are actually a deeply flawed team.
    This is true, but the only AL team that didn't have glaring flaws going into the playoffs were the Indians and they're gone, too.

    Sox had great SP, one of the top 3 bullpens in the majors, good defense, and a mediocre offense with no power. Yankees had a nice offense with lots of pop, one of the top 3 bullpens in the majors, and no depth at SP. Astros had an excellent offense with power and speed, good defense, a solid bullpen, and no depth at SP.

    Indians had no blatant weaknesses. They had a top 3 rotation, excellent offense, top 3 bullpen, little bit of speed, and depth on the bench, and it got them the same place as the Sox, D-Backs, and Nats. You just can't predict playoff baseball, and this is what I deserve for trying.

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    I love it. Whoever runs the Yankees Twitter feed is a savage. The Red Sox response was an emoji rolling its eyes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CoyoteYankee View Post
    I love it. Whoever runs the Yankees Twitter feed is a savage. The Red Sox response was an emoji rolling its eyes.
    That was brilliant..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson'sCornrows View Post
    This is true, but the only AL team that didn't have glaring flaws going into the playoffs were the Indians and they're gone, too.

    Sox had great SP, one of the top 3 bullpens in the majors, good defense, and a mediocre offense with no power. Yankees had a nice offense with lots of pop, one of the top 3 bullpens in the majors, and no depth at SP. Astros had an excellent offense with power and speed, good defense, a solid bullpen, and no depth at SP.

    Indians had no blatant weaknesses. They had a top 3 rotation, excellent offense, top 3 bullpen, little bit of speed, and depth on the bench, and it got them the same place as the Sox, D-Backs, and Nats. You just can't predict playoff baseball, and this is what I deserve for trying.
    I hear you, but I don't understand or agree with your assessment of the starting pitching at all. The Red Sox are the team with "no depth" at SP. They have a Cy Young candidate and a bunch of high-risk, inconsistent guys. The decision to sign (and trust) David Price with that kind of contract is laughably bad, and was the moment the ink hit the paper. Rick Porcello is a mirage. Drew Pomeranz? Meh.

    The Yankees' starting pitching probably didn't look great to many on paper at the start of the season, but there are many of us who are not surprised at all by Severino's emergence. Tanaka had a mediocre year highlighted by periods of excellence, and the Yankees are fortunate that he's having one right now. CC has outperformed expectations, and they upgraded a maddeningly inconsistent (and now injured) Pineda with Sonny Gray. Montgomery has been a very serviceable 5th starter. With Jaime Garcia they actually had a functioning 6-man rotation down the stretch.

    So by no means would I call the Yankees' rotation all-world, but going into the playoffs you could easily argue that their top 4 match up with anyone's top 4 in MLB. In terms of starters who can hang with the Yankees' rotation, Cleveland and Houston were three deep but overmatched in the 4th spot. The Red Sox, IMHO, would be one or two deep in a matchup with any of those teams. They actually had to give Doug Fister a start, are you kidding me?

    Also if the Red Sox bullpen were really that good, you have to ask why Farrell didn't give them the ball to start the 8th inning of Game 4. He inexplicably stayed with Sale and we all saw what happened.
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    Baseball is life;
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    Quote Originally Posted by sweet_lou_14 View Post
    I hear you, but I don't understand or agree with your assessment of the starting pitching at all. The Red Sox are the team with "no depth" at SP. They have a Cy Young candidate and a bunch of high-risk, inconsistent guys. The decision to sign (and trust) David Price with that kind of contract is laughably bad, and was the moment the ink hit the paper. Rick Porcello is a mirage. Drew Pomeranz? Meh.
    The Red Sox rotation tied for the league lead in IP, was 2nd in the majors in K/9, 2nd in the AL in ERA+, fWAR, BB/9, K/BB, and FIP. Sale was the 2nd best pitcher in the AL even after his August/September struggles, Pomeranz was one of the top 15 pitchers in the AL, E-Rod and Price were both good while healthy, Porcello and Fister were servicable, and we got very good emergency starts from Brian Johnson and Hector Velazquez. The Sox rotation may have had question marks at the very tail end of the season, but overall the starting staff was as legit as it gets.

    Quote Originally Posted by sweet_lou_14 View Post
    The Yankees' starting pitching probably didn't look great to many on paper at the start of the season, but there are many of us who are not surprised at all by Severino's emergence. Tanaka had a mediocre year highlighted by periods of excellence, and the Yankees are fortunate that he's having one right now. CC has outperformed expectations, and they upgraded a maddeningly inconsistent (and now injured) Pineda with Sonny Gray. Montgomery has been a very serviceable 5th starter. With Jaime Garcia they actually had a functioning 6-man rotation down the stretch.
    Yeah, I liked both the Gray and Garcia trades from a Yankee standpoint. I think maybe you're looking at this from a different perspective than from the context with which I originally made my point. The rotation looks great now, but my context was "how did everyone look at the end of the season." Severino was excellent. CC was good, but would have slotted 3rd in the Red Sox rotation based on the numbers he put up. Add Gray and you guys had a nice 1-2-3 going into the playoffs.

    Montgomery was pretty good, but he was young, had no playoff experience, was a superfluous lefty and predictably got shifted to the bullpen for the playoff run. That left you with a #4 of Tanaka who was either great or terrible all year, and despite the current roll he's on, really isn't someone I would have wanted to count on going into a playoff series.

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    Also if the Red Sox bullpen were really that good, you have to ask why Farrell didn't give them the ball to start the 8th inning of Game 4. He inexplicably stayed with Sale and we all saw what happened.
    The quality of a bullpen or anything else isn't dictated by one isolated managerial decision. Additionally, Farrell didn't make that decision (he got tossed in the 2nd after Bradley and Pedroia got called out back to back on bogus strikes with the bases loaded), and even if he had, Sale was cruising, his stuff was sharp, his pitch count was low, and he would have been unavailable for Game 5, regardless. There was no reason not to leave him in, the solo dinger notwithstanding.

    FWIW, the Sox pen this year finished 2nd in the majors in LOB% and ERA+, 3rd in the majors in FIP, and 4th in the majors in WHIP, fWAR, xFIP, and K/BB. Only the Dodgers, Indians, and Yankees pens were equal or better, statistically.

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