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    Re: 2011 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    That should have cost Cashman his job.

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    Re: 2011 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

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    Wow 2011?!? 9 years later and have we even developed home grown pitcher?

    Phil Hughes retires...

    https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/...ars-last-pitch

    Thanks for the glimpse of greatness in Texas and your contributions toward the ring in '09!
    Those handful of innings were so exciting. I thought he was going to be the next Roger Clemens. And while he had a nice career, and played a material role on that '09 championship team, it was still a let down given the well-deserved hype and what my eyes saw in those first few innings in Texas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obnoxio View Post
    That should have cost Cashman his job.
    Along with a lot of other things over the years.

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    That should have cost Cashman his job.
    In 29 other organizations, that would have been the case.

    Not this one. He could help Reggie take out the Queen, and he'd still have job security for life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by False1 View Post
    Those handful of innings were so exciting. I thought he was going to be the next Roger Clemens. And while he had a nice career, and played a material role on that '09 championship team, it was still a let down given the well-deserved hype and what my eyes saw in those first few innings in Texas.
    One has to wonder what he would have become if he was on a team with good pitcher development like Houston, Tampa or Cleveland.
    A fool and his money can throw one heck of a party!

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    Re: 2011 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

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    One has to wonder what he would have become if he was on a team with good pitcher development like Houston, Tampa or Cleveland.
    I can't agree with this. My memories of Hughes are 1) he was consistently inconsistent, and 2) he was missing lots of time with injuries

    At some point a star in the making has to "figure it out" - Hughes never really got to this mindset on a regular basis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePinStripes View Post
    One has to wonder what he would have become if he was on a team with good pitcher development like Houston, Tampa or Cleveland.
    You could say the same thing about Joba.

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    Hughes was a lot like Mussina towards the end of his career. He could put people away. He didn't miss enough bats to strike them out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sjb23 View Post
    I can't agree with this. My memories of Hughes are 1) he was consistently inconsistent, and 2) he was missing lots of time with injuries

    At some point a star in the making has to "figure it out" - Hughes never really got to this mindset on a regular basis.
    Not sure if you saw his debut against Texas or followed him in the minors, but he was a very different pitcher - very reminiscent of Clemens IMO, before he went on the DL after his debut. The organization changed his mechanics to “protect him”, while rendering him a shell of who he used to be - just like Joba.
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    Re: 2011 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Zimmer's Helmet View Post
    Not sure if you saw his debut against Texas or followed him in the minors, but he was a very different pitcher - very reminiscent of Clemens IMO, before he went on the DL after his debut. The organization changed his mechanics to “protect him”, while rendering him a shell of who he used to be - just like Joba.
    Hughes was spectacular that game at Texas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sjb23 View Post
    I can't agree with this. My memories of Hughes are 1) he was consistently inconsistent, and 2) he was missing lots of time with injuries

    At some point a star in the making has to "figure it out" - Hughes never really got to this mindset on a regular basis.
    He, like most Yankee pitching prospects, came out and looked like he could be an incredible pitcher, then through various improvements and tweaks, faded to mediocrity.
    A fool and his money can throw one heck of a party!

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    Re: 2011 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    Yes I remember the Texas game it was very exciting. I can't remember much about Hughes' injuries and the Yankees tinkering with his mechanics so I can't really blame anyone - perhaps an injury really altered his future

    Either way, I'm glad he had a good run for a few years and never has to pay for medical insurance coverage.
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    Re: 2011 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePinStripes View Post
    He, like most Yankee pitching prospects, came out and looked like he could be an incredible pitcher, then through various improvements and tweaks, faded to mediocrity.
    Well looking at a big picture, there's more guys that fade than reach stardom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sd. View Post
    Hughes was a lot like Mussina towards the end of his career. He couldn't put people away. He didn't miss enough bats to strike them out.
    Oops. Forgot the all important "n't"

    Hughes couldn't put people away. I remember him getting ahead a lot. A lot of foul balls, and he'd have to come in the zone (or would make a mistake) eventually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sd. View Post
    Hughes couldn't put people away. I remember him getting ahead a lot. A lot of foul balls, and he'd have to come in the zone (or would make a mistake) eventually.

    I agree and remember this about Hughes. To me guys like Eovaldi, Pineda, Warren, and Phelps all had a similar issue.

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    Re: 2011 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by sjb23 View Post
    Well looking at a big picture, there's more guys that fade than reach stardom.
    Looking at the big picture, it's a 30 year theme in NY. I'm sure I'm missing someone but is Pettitte the last pitcher the Yankees developed that had a good career.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePinStripes View Post
    Looking at the big picture, it's a 30 year theme in NY. I'm sure I'm missing someone but is Pettitte the last pitcher the Yankees developed that had a good career.
    Pretty much yes. Unless Severino and German end up having long careers as Yankees starting pitchers.

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