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    Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

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    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    a couple of years ago, this site was full of people bashing cashman. i think he's proven over the last couple of winters that when given full control, he can be one of the better GMs in the game. people may say it is easy being the yankees' GM, especialy when signing free agents but it seems as though cahsman knows what he is doing. long may it last ...
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    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    Quote Originally Posted by ajra21
    a couple of years ago, this site was full of people bashing cashman. i think he's proven over the last couple of winters that when given full control, he can be one of the better GMs in the game. people may say it is easy being the yankees' GM, especialy when signing free agents but it seems as though cahsman knows what he is doing. long may it last ...
    Hear, hear.

    It was pretty tough defending him when he decided to bail on Santana, but I believed he had a vision, and he executed that vision perfectly last off-season and made the team significantly better. And this off-season he went about it in a much more creative way and in my view again improved the team. No doubt Cashman has proved himself worthy.

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    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    Quote Originally Posted by OldYankeeFan
    Hear, hear.

    It was pretty tough defending him when he decided to bail on Santana, but I believed he had a vision, and he executed that vision perfectly last off-season and made the team significantly better. And this off-season he went about it in a much more creative way and in my view again improved the team. No doubt Cashman has proved himself worthy.
    totally disagree. it was a no brainer. they were asking for way too much. cashman was right from day one to never want to do that deal.
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    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    Quote Originally Posted by ajra21
    totally disagree. it was a no brainer. they were asking for way too much. cashman was right from day one to never want to do that deal.
    It might have been a no brainer to you, but you should look at the original thread to remind you how critical others were towards Cashman about the Santana situation.

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    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    Quote Originally Posted by Yankees1962
    It might have been a no brainer to you, but you should look at the original thread to remind you how critical others were towards Cashman about the Santana situation.
    those critics were wrong at the time.
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    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    Quote Originally Posted by ajra21
    totally disagree. it was a no brainer. they were asking for way too much. cashman was right from day one to never want to do that deal.
    I agreed with Cash on not making that trade. And I told my friends back then that the Yankees would end up signing CC and keep all their prospects.

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    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    Quote Originally Posted by ajra21
    totally disagree. it was a no brainer. they were asking for way too much. cashman was right from day one to never want to do that deal.
    Cashman made the absolute right call on Santana but every deal or potential deal has to be looked at in the context of the time it was happening and at that time it was definitly not a no brainer. Santana was and still is one of the best pitchers in baseball and the yankees were desperately in need of pitching at the time.
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    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    Quote Originally Posted by R.V.47
    Cashman made the absolute right call on Santana but every deal or potential deal has to be looked at in the context of the time it was happening and at that time it was definitly not a no brainer. Santana was and still is one of the best pitchers in baseball and the yankees were desperately in need of pitching at the time.
    i though it was a no brainer given what the twins were asking for and then having to sign him to an extension.
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    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    Quote Originally Posted by R.V.47
    Cashman made the absolute right call on Santana but every deal or potential deal has to be looked at in the context of the time it was happening and at that time it was definitly not a no brainer. Santana was and still is one of the best pitchers in baseball and the yankees were desperately in need of pitching at the time.
    No brainer is definitely strong, but I defintely supported not making that deal. Even in '08 when we missed the playoffs. Wanted a shot to get CC, plus hold on to Phil, IPK (who helped us land Granderson) and Melky (who helped us land Vasquez.

    Seemed like the right move at the time, and in hindsight it's unquestionable the right move was made.

    And for all the folks that think that Cashman's job is so easy a caveman can do it, would love thoughts on how many GM's in his position would have been able to withstand the pressure to do that deal.

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    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    Quote Originally Posted by ajra21
    totally disagree. it was a no brainer. they were asking for way too much. cashman was right from day one to never want to do that deal.
    I think you may have misinterpreted the meaning of my post because I agree with everything you said and supported him 100% for bailing on the Santana deal. It's just that there WAS a lot of dissenting views which made for lively debate. I guess the "tough to defend" was the wrong choice of phrases to use. Defending him at the time was tiresome, but I guess it was't actually tough.

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    As the OP of the prior thread.

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    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    Looking back over the past few years at the big name players that were traded the year before they hit FA or before the trade deadline, how many gave up prospects anything near what Hughes was in 2008 (21 year old, almost threw a no-no, 101 ERA+, AL East), nevertheless Joba a combination of 2 of Joba, Hughes and IPK (who also had high stock)? No one did. Not for Holliday, Cliff Lee (twice), CC (granted, 1 year lease), or anyone else that was thrown around.

    The value of youth has skyrocketed while aging players have fallen far, and Cashman called it.
    A fool and his money can throw one heck of a party!

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    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePinStripes
    Looking back over the past few years at the big name players that were traded the year before they hit FA or before the trade deadline, how many gave up prospects anything near what Hughes was in 2008 (21 year old, almost threw a no-no, 101 ERA+, AL East), nevertheless Joba a combination of 2 of Joba, Hughes and IPK (who also had high stock)? No one did. Not for Holliday, Cliff Lee (twice), CC (granted, 1 year lease), or anyone else that was thrown around.

    The value of youth has skyrocketed while aging players have fallen far, and Cashman called it.
    well said. with the steriod stuf being understood, people saw that older players weren't good value for money. it is far better to produce your own picthers, tie them up for five or six years and let them go to FA at age 30 than to pick up guy at that age.
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    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    Cashman also nailed it when he didn't pick up Cameron last year. Great move.
    When everyone said we needed him so badly, it turns out we didn't.
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    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePinStripes
    Cashman also nailed it when he didn't pick up Cameron last year. Great move.
    When everyone said we needed him so badly, it turns out we didn't.
    Well not everyone. I still have some battle scars for defending Cashman (and in hindsight Hal) on that one.

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    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePinStripes
    Cashman also nailed it when he didn't pick up Cameron last year. Great move.
    When everyone said we needed him so badly, it turns out we didn't.
    I as a huge Cameron for Cabrera proponent, and while he made the right call financially last season, it wasn't until he turned Cabrera into a chip for Vasquez that I'd say he nailed that one...

    ...especially if Javy can net us two first rounders next off-season

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    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    Quote Originally Posted by False1
    I as a huge Cameron for Cabrera proponent, and while he made the right call financially last season, it wasn't until he turned Cabrera into a chip for Vasquez that I'd say he nailed that one...

    ...especially if Javy can net us two first rounders next off-season
    If he has a bad season you have to worry he accepts arb and if he has a good season you have to worry the Yankees offer him a contract. Going to be interesting.

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    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    Quote Originally Posted by JavyVazquezIsSick
    If he has a bad season you have to worry he accepts arb and if he has a good season you have to worry the Yankees offer him a contract. Going to be interesting.
    I bet Cashman is pissing himself in fear of making an arbitration decision on Vazquez.

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    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    Quote Originally Posted by justtxyank
    I bet Cashman is pissing himself in fear of making an arbitration decision on Vazquez.
    or Javy having a good year I assure you, neither is something Cashman is concerned about.


    Even if he has a bad year (95ERA+) and accepts arbitration, he'll get $12M for one year.

    Pettitte is getting $12M right now and he's not much better than a bad Vazquez (Pettitte = 103 ERA+), and I'd argue Petttitte is a bigger injury risk.
    A fool and his money can throw one heck of a party!

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    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    well Cash, you have 30 Million to spend.....do something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yankeesfan811 View Post
    well Cash, you have 30 Million to spend.....do something.
    Maybe Hal and Hank would rather pocket that 30 mil than give it to non impact players.
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    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    Perhaps Cashman can stay on as the self-titled Director of Spending, and we could get an actual General Manager soon

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    Quote Originally Posted by ppa79 View Post
    Maybe Hal and Hank would rather pocket that 30 mil than give it to non impact players.
    Exactly!

    There is no signing now that is going to help sell season tickets. So, Cashman can wait to spend the money until it might actually help the ball club reach the playoffs. We can be assured that some money is going to be spent between now and August to avert finishing out of the money in 2011.

    Cashman is not operating to satisfy the impatient posters here.

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    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    Looking at the Yankees rotation makes my stomach turn.

    Cashman has done a horrible job developing a good staff over the years....from busts to prospects that don't pan out....disgusting for a 200mil payroll team.

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