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02-15-10 12:29 PM #26
Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0
Originally Posted by ThePinStripes
Would Cameron have hurt us?
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02-15-10 12:50 PM #27
Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0
Originally Posted by False1
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02-15-10 12:53 PM #28
Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0
Originally Posted by JavyVazquezIsSick
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02-15-10 01:06 PM #29
Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0
Originally Posted by justtxyank
Obviously in hindsight we were better with Pettitte and Gardner/Melky than we would have been with Cameron and no Pettitte.
I think that holds true again this year when Cameron was available in FA. If Cashman pulled the trigger on that on then there's not enough money for Javy to come back. And although Cameron would have been an upgrade I think we are a stronger team with Gardner and Javy.
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02-15-10 01:07 PM #30
Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0
Originally Posted by justtxyank
He certainly would have cost us money and prospects.A fool and his money can throw one heck of a party!
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02-15-10 01:09 PM #31
Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0
I don't recall anyone who advocated for Cameron (myself included) ever arguing that we should get him if his contract was prohibitive to the Yankees plans. In fact, that was always a caveat to liking the deal, "If the money isn't a problem..."
Cashman didn't nail it by not getting Cameron. He nailed it by picking Pettitte over Cameron (if that was really the choice) which I don't think anyone here would have disagreed with at the time.
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02-15-10 01:11 PM #32
Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0
Originally Posted by justtxyank
I assure you, neither is something Cashman is concerned about.
Even if he has a bad year (95ERA+) and accepts arbitration, he'll get $12M for one year.
Pettitte is getting $12M right now and he's not much better than a bad Vazquez (Pettitte = 103 ERA+), and I'd argue Petttitte is a bigger injury risk.A fool and his money can throw one heck of a party!
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02-15-10 01:12 PM #33
Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0
Originally Posted by justtxyank
Or am I retarded and misremembering Cameron being considered?A fool and his money can throw one heck of a party!
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02-15-10 01:38 PM #34
Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0
Originally Posted by ThePinStripes
The debate was always about whether Cameron was better than Melky. Lots of people on this board argued he wouldn't be an upgrade. That was silly, and winning the WS doesn't change that. Also, how did Cash nail it when he apparently asked Hal to expand the budget so he COULD get Cameron? His boss wouldn't let him make a move he wanted to make. I wouldn't call that him nailing it.
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02-15-10 01:57 PM #35
Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0
Originally Posted by justtxyank
However I did read something recently that an in-season deal Cashman was entertaining for Cameron was nixed by Hal because of the money, so if that is correct Cashman shouldn't get the props for not making that deal.
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02-15-10 01:58 PM #36
Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0
Originally Posted by ThePinStripes
Bring tea for the Tillerman; Steak for the son; Wine for the woman
who made the rain come; Seagulls sing your hearts away;
'Cause while the sinners sin, the children play ...
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02-15-10 02:02 PM #37
Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0
Originally Posted by JOBA RULES
since he got full control of the club, he's done a really good job. i am a firm believer that had he been allowed to do his job all along, we'd have won 28 and 29 by now. my only real concerns are that we still have three guys in the rotation who are closer to 35 than 30; and that the left side of our defense is gonna be locked up for a very long time when they are already in their mid 30s. that said, we won the WS last year and a good chance of winning again in the next couple of years. beyond that, who knows what will happen.Bring tea for the Tillerman; Steak for the son; Wine for the woman
who made the rain come; Seagulls sing your hearts away;
'Cause while the sinners sin, the children play ...
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02-15-10 02:04 PM #38
Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0
Originally Posted by OldYankeeFan
However I did read something recently that an in-season deal Cashman was entertaining for Cameron was nixed by Hal because of the money, so if that is correct Cashman shouldn't get the props for not making that deal.
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02-15-10 02:18 PM #39
Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0
you are quite right. the debate about melky or cameron was long and detailed.
Bring tea for the Tillerman; Steak for the son; Wine for the woman
who made the rain come; Seagulls sing your hearts away;
'Cause while the sinners sin, the children play ...
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02-15-10 03:19 PM #40
Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0
Originally Posted by justtxyank
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02-15-10 07:16 PM #41
Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0
Cameron might be the better player, but Melky is much more clutch. Guy had like 6 walk offs last year.
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02-15-10 08:09 PM #42
Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0
Originally Posted by JavyVazquezIsSick
Melky - .276 / .321 / .429
Cameron - .230 / .361 / .380
Clearly worked in the team's favor to keep Cabrera in terms of the $$ saved and the chip used to get Vazquez.
And RSN should note that Cameron had 7 stolen bases in 10 attempts last year... BY FAR his lowest total attempted since breaking into the league. I wonder if his age 37 season will be the year he loses that step that has made him a threat on the bases and an asset in center field...
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02-15-10 08:13 PM #43
Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0
Originally Posted by False1
I don't know why they place such a high emphasis on outfield defense either. Does Theo know they play 81 games in Fenway?A fool and his money can throw one heck of a party!
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02-16-10 05:15 AM #44
Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0
Originally Posted by ThePinStripes
there might be a case for playing brett in right and nick in left when we go to fenway park.Bring tea for the Tillerman; Steak for the son; Wine for the woman
who made the rain come; Seagulls sing your hearts away;
'Cause while the sinners sin, the children play ...
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02-16-10 05:36 AM #45
Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0
Originally Posted by ThePinStripes
Be seeing you,
SaxmaniaMayonnaise is a demanding master.
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02-16-10 07:51 AM #46
Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0
it would not surprise me if we keep vasquez next year to replace andy, whom i expect to retire after 2010.
Bring tea for the Tillerman; Steak for the son; Wine for the woman
who made the rain come; Seagulls sing your hearts away;
'Cause while the sinners sin, the children play ...
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02-16-10 07:54 AM #47
Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0
Originally Posted by ajra21
If you listen to the fans you’ll be sitting with them soon enough.- Brian Cashman
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02-16-10 07:59 AM #48
Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0
Originally Posted by False1
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02-16-10 08:02 AM #49
Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0
Originally Posted by R.V.47
Bring tea for the Tillerman; Steak for the son; Wine for the woman
who made the rain come; Seagulls sing your hearts away;
'Cause while the sinners sin, the children play ...
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02-16-10 08:03 AM #50
Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0
Webb or Wandy too.
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