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    Quote Originally Posted by Yankees1962 View Post
    We want these former players turned analysts to be forthcoming with their opinions and when they say something that we don't like then we hate them. We as fans, can't have it both ways.
    He's kind of an idiot, though. Does he not realize that ring on his finger is tied to Cano and Arod? He's kind of selling out his (former) friends for a media career

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    I always hate Teix.
    Did you hate him in 2009?

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    He's kind of an idiot, though. Does he not realize that ring on his finger is tied to Cano and Arod? He's kind of selling out his (former) friends for a media career
    TBH, any former player that wants to be really good at being an analyst is going to have to do that as you have to be able to criticize former teammates. Now, I'm not saying he shouldn't have avoided that yesterday, but too many of these analysts never criticize players or their former teams, teammates or coaches/managers.

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    Re: The Former Yankee Performance Thread v4.0

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    Did you hate him in 2009?
    Oy. No, the disdain came shortly after that. Since, it has never wavered.
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    Re: The Former Yankee Performance Thread v4.0

    Quote Originally Posted by Yankees1962 View Post
    TBH, any former player that wants to be really good at being an analyst is going to have to do that as you have to be able to criticize former teammates. Now, I'm not saying he shouldn't have avoided that yesterday, but too many of these analysts never criticize players or their former teams, teammates or coaches/managers.
    I tend to agree with this although I feel a little conflicted. On one hand, it seems wrong for a player to throw a former teammate under the bus, but on the other hand it is refreshing to get a legitimate opinion on a controversial topic like this from a former player instead of the usual politically correct response. As you noted in an earlier post, we can't have it both ways so I'm ultimately okay with Teixeira's comments.
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    Re: The Former Yankee Performance Thread v4.0

    Quote Originally Posted by NelsonMuntz View Post
    I tend to agree with this although I feel a little conflicted. On one hand, it seems wrong for a player to throw a former teammate under the bus, but on the other hand it is refreshing to get a legitimate opinion on a controversial topic like this from a former player instead of the usual politically correct response. As you noted in an earlier post, we can't have it both ways so I'm ultimately okay with Teixeira's comments.
    Co-signed. Well said, sir.

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    Re: The Former Yankee Performance Thread v4.0

    Quote Originally Posted by Yankees1962 View Post
    TBH, any former player that wants to be really good at being an analyst is going to have to do that as you have to be able to criticize former teammates. Now, I'm not saying he shouldn't have avoided that yesterday, but too many of these analysts never criticize players or their former teams, teammates or coaches/managers.
    It's a free country, but he's still an idiot. Reading his comments, he doesn't actually provide any new information based on his own interactions with Cano, he just cites the same publicly-known Biogenesis thing and Cano's friendship with Arod and Melky. It's almost like he's providing a bystander's opinion without the substantiation of first-hand knowledge (even though he's a first-hand-source).

    This potentially diminishes his own accomplishments without adding anything new to the conversation. I just think it's a dumb thing to do.

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    Re: The Former Yankee Performance Thread v4.0

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    Good thing Tex didn't drive the team bus. He would thrown a few teammates under it and drove back and forth.
    What I find interesting is that, if I am remembering correctly, Tex often had an air of suspicion whirling around him as well. He played with the users in Texas and NY. In this particular instance, I think he could have handled it a bit differently and taken a small dose of STFU before making his statement.

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    Re: The Former Yankee Performance Thread v4.0

    Quote Originally Posted by Jace View Post
    He's kind of an idiot, though. Does he not realize that ring on his finger is tied to Cano and Arod? He's kind of selling out his (former) friends for a media career
    Media career which won't last long because he's about as interesting as a spoon.
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    Media career which won't last long because he's about as interesting as a spoon.
    I dunno, I thought his Between Two Ferns attempts were pretty funny:






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    Chase Headley released today.
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    Re: The Former Yankee Performance Thread v4.0

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    Chase Headley released today.
    Picking him up for the minimum would be the ultimate Cashman move.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Art Vanderlay View Post
    During the Biogenisys investigation it came out that Cano had ties to someone who worked there but they (MLB) where never able to bust him. I know the Yankees were concerned about that association and I have always believed it was a factor in not retaining him.
    I love this revisionist history narrative coming out now since the Cano PED issue arose.

    The hilarious idea that Cashman and Co. were so shrewd and knew not to extend Cano when he went to the Mariners. And now they were proven right!

    One problem. In reality, they offered a 7-year deal totaling ~$175M and the only reason Cano isn't facing an 80-game suspension while wearing the pinstripes is because the M's topped their offer.

    Please, let's not pretend Cashman tossed Cano a 5/$50M contract and dropped the mic. They wanted him back badly and were not leery of anything.

    Most here, myself included, were pissed that they effectively prioritized backing the truck up for Ellsbury, a piece of glass who many here also first-guessed would be a terrible signing. I don't remember too many people saying that offering that huge contract to Robbie was a mistake. The guy played 160 games a year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rajah View Post
    Second, it confirms my view that players and observant others, including journalists, often know and certainly knew in the McGwire-Sosa-Bonds peak period. .
    Not to mention baseball executives. Bud Selig did a great job of pretending the Mitchell report was all about the bad, bad players, but it wasn’t. I don’t understand how Brian Sabean managed to keep his job after what that report came out.

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    Re: The Former Yankee Performance Thread v4.0

    Quote Originally Posted by NelsonMuntz View Post
    I tend to agree with this although I feel a little conflicted. On one hand, it seems wrong for a player to throw a former teammate under the bus, but on the other hand it is refreshing to get a legitimate opinion on a controversial topic like this from a former player instead of the usual politically correct response. As you noted in an earlier post, we can't have it both ways so I'm ultimately okay with Teixeira's comments.
    Eh. Sounds like Teix knew as much as Canseco did. I don't doubt they all knew.

    Seems to me..In order to voice an opinion now, he needed to voice his opinion then. Otherwise it begs for legitimate volleys back to Tex about why his second testicle didn't drop until after he retired. "Didn't want to disrupt your pay day, Mark?"
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    Dustin Fowler hit his 1st career HR tonight.

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    Re: The Former Yankee Performance Thread v4.0

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    I love this revisionist history narrative coming out now since the Cano PED issue arose.

    The hilarious idea that Cashman and Co. were so shrewd and knew not to extend Cano when he went to the Mariners. And now they were proven right!

    One problem. In reality, they offered a 7-year deal totaling ~$175M and the only reason Cano isn't facing an 80-game suspension while wearing the pinstripes is because the M's topped their offer.

    Please, let's not pretend Cashman tossed Cano a 5/$50M contract and dropped the mic. They wanted him back badly and were not leery of anything.

    Most here, myself included, were pissed that they effectively prioritized backing the truck up for Ellsbury, a piece of glass who many here also first-guessed would be a terrible signing. I don't remember too many people saying that offering that huge contract to Robbie was a mistake. The guy played 160 games a year.
    All of this.
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    Re: The Former Yankee Performance Thread v4.0

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    Union members publicly deriding and mocking other union members over poor decisions.

    This is not the MLBPA of old.
    With a quasi salary cap, if you artificially improve your own performance, arent you stealing money from your teammates?

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    Re: The Former Yankee Performance Thread v4.0

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    With a quasi salary cap, if you artificially improve your own performance, arent you stealing money from your teammates?
    That’s crap. Much the same reason Teixeira was full of crap when he grew testicles the other day to back the bus over the corpse of Robinson Cano. These guys taking pot shots on social media on other teams’ players are hypocrites, because they’re ignoring what’s going on in their own kitchens. If you know something’s up, SAY SOMETHING. Otherwise, shut up and be a dutiful union member.
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    Re: The Former Yankee Performance Thread v4.0

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    With a quasi salary cap, if you artificially improve your own performance, arent you stealing money from your teammates?
    The presence of a salary cap is not the players' fault, but was brought about by the owners and poor union leadership. If the players end up in competition with each other because of it, they should organize to eliminate it. The only "stealing" is done by the owners, who do the least amount of work and get paid more than their share.

    To ojo's point, when you have individual players advocating punishments that propose that players get paid less and owners get paid more, then the MLBPA, as an org meant to represent the collective interests of the players, is clearly in shambles
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    Re: The Former Yankee Performance Thread v4.0

    Quote Originally Posted by ojo View Post
    That’s crap. Much the same reason Teixeira was full of crap when he grew testicles the other day to back the bus over the corpse of Robinson Cano. These guys taking pot shots on social media on other teams’ players are hypocrites, because they’re ignoring what’s going on in their own kitchens. If you know something’s up, SAY SOMETHING. Otherwise, shut up and be a dutiful union member.
    Agreed 100%. Unfortunately, backing the bus over corpses is nothing new for Tex.

    He pretty much did the same thing to Girardi when he was let go.
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    Re: The Former Yankee Performance Thread v4.0

    Today, Tex is paid by ESPN to be an analyst and to give his opinion. When he was a player, he was being paid to play ball. Giving his honest opinion about people was not in his players contract. I don't see the conflict for him answering questions now with his opinion. You might not like what he's saying, but he's simply doing his job. I hate former players turned analysts that are collecting their paychecks, but are not really telling us how they feel about things and are giving us BS answers to questions.

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    Re: The Former Yankee Performance Thread v4.0

    Quote Originally Posted by Yankees1962 View Post
    Today, Tex is paid by ESPN to be an analyst and to give his opinion. When he was a player, he was being paid to play ball. Giving his honest opinion about people was not in his players contract. I don't see the conflict for him answering questions now with his opinion. You might not like what he's saying, but he's simply doing his job. I hate former players turned analysts that are collecting their paychecks, but are not really telling us how they feel about things and are giving us BS answers to questions.
    Agreed - Tex is doing his job.
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    Re: The Former Yankee Performance Thread v4.0

    Quote Originally Posted by Yankees1962 View Post
    Today, Tex is paid by ESPN to be an analyst and to give his opinion. When he was a player, he was being paid to play ball. Giving his honest opinion about people was not in his players contract. I don't see the conflict for him answering questions now with his opinion. You might not like what he's saying, but he's simply doing his job. I hate former players turned analysts that are collecting their paychecks, but are not really telling us how they feel about things and are giving us BS answers to questions.

    fair point
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    Re: The Former Yankee Performance Thread v4.0

    Quote Originally Posted by Yankees1962 View Post
    Today, Tex is paid by ESPN to be an analyst and to give his opinion. When he was a player, he was being paid to play ball. Giving his honest opinion about people was not in his players contract. I don't see the conflict for him answering questions now with his opinion. You might not like what he's saying, but he's simply doing his job. I hate former players turned analysts that are collecting their paychecks, but are not really telling us how they feel about things and are giving us BS answers to questions.
    He may be paid to give his opinion, but throwing ex-managers and ex-teammates under the bus when they’re down on their luck just paints Tex in a poor light. Even A-Rod, for all his warts, never did that.
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