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True Yankee-ette13
10-12-05, 11:38 PM
Just curious to see which pitchers you guys enjoy watching the most when they're on their game and dominating. My favorites are Carlos Zambrano and RJ. They can get very animated which I LOVE. Plus their stuff isn't too shabby either. ;)

NYYBombshell
10-12-05, 11:39 PM
Just curious to see which pitchers you guys enjoy the most when they're on their game and dominating. My favorites are Carlos Zambrano and RJ. They can get very animated which I LOVE. Plus their stuff isn't too shabby either. ;)


Moose, RJ, and Rocket.


Oh yeah, and Mo...........but then again, when isn't he "on"?

dabomb2045
10-12-05, 11:42 PM
I always enjoyed watching Maddux in his prime....he was the master of changing locations and speeds

I sometimes like watching pitchers who have to outthink hitters to get them out....instead of just always relying on raw power

scull567
10-12-05, 11:43 PM
Wakefield.

Slidemaster
10-12-05, 11:44 PM
Santana, Clemens, Rivera, Pedro, and B.J. Ryan.

When they've got everything working, no hitter stands a chance against them.

True Yankee-ette13
10-12-05, 11:47 PM
Wakefield.

Interesting, unconventional choice.

jgibson24
10-12-05, 11:48 PM
Greg Maddux... When he was in his prime and "on" it was an amazing thing to watch.

Steph19
10-12-05, 11:57 PM
Barry Zito. The curveball makes me say "Wow" every time.

Honorable mention to Randy Johnson and Francisco Rodriguez.

I think it would probably be fun to watch Dontrelle Willis but I haven't been able to see much of him yet.

chanman7483
10-12-05, 11:59 PM
livan and orlando hernandez.

True Yankee-ette13
10-13-05, 12:01 AM
Barry Zito. The curveball makes me say "Wow" every time.

Honorable mention to Randy Johnson and Francisco Rodriguez.

I think it would probably be fun to watch Dontrelle Willis but I haven't been able to see much of him yet.

My little cousin LOVES the leg kick. :)

chanman7483
10-13-05, 12:01 AM
Wade Boggs

Kudo
10-13-05, 12:03 AM
Dontrelle, Big Unit, and now more recently Wang. Something about not even letting the batter hit the ball in the air totally amazes me.

PeteRFNY
10-13-05, 12:21 AM
Back in the old days, Ron Guidry. As close to a guaranteed win as you were gonna get - it was unreal.

JeffWeaverFan
10-13-05, 12:32 AM
El Duque, but even when he's not on he's my favorite pitcher to watch, so I guess that doesn't count. RJ is up there as my favorite pitcher to watch when on, and my most hated pitcher to watch when he's not. David Cone was up there for me. Roger Clemens is of course there.

And, lastly, Jeff Weaver honestly was up there in the few games I saw him when he was "on." Even when he wasn't, I loved his emotion, hence the stupid username.

CptCrunch
10-13-05, 12:53 AM
Pedro and Santana. It's just hilarious to watch hitters wave at the changeup.

DaBoys4LifeNYY35
10-13-05, 12:54 AM
Eric Gagne
Jeff Weaver when he's on
Roger Clemens
Possibly most of all, Mike Mussina when he's on.

Sam18
10-13-05, 01:48 AM
Brad Lidge.

JeffWeaverFan
10-13-05, 01:52 AM
Jeff Weaver when he's on

I can't believe someone else said Jeff Weaver. Good job Nat!

Dave Visbeck
10-13-05, 01:53 AM
In days gone by........... Tiant. :D

Archer1979
10-13-05, 01:54 AM
In days gone by........... Tiant. :D

I was just going to post that...

Also, Mark Fidrych.

PettittesPrincess
10-13-05, 02:06 AM
Andy Pettitte, Mark Mulder, and Barry Zito.

Dave Visbeck
10-13-05, 02:17 AM
I was just going to post that...

Also, Mark Fidrych.

Hey... I was also thinking about "The Bird" about two seconds after I pushed the enter button! :eek: :D

IncredibleByNature
10-13-05, 02:42 AM
Moose
Mo
Duque

I can't think of anymore right now.

jonnyc39
10-13-05, 02:57 AM
Pedrooooo

Casey37
10-13-05, 05:20 AM
Clemens, Big Unit, Dontrelle Willis.

los
10-13-05, 05:20 AM
RJ, Rivera, Zito, Maddux in his prime, Clemens, Pedro.

Evil Empire
10-13-05, 07:02 AM
Duque, Mo, Rocket, Wakefield(when he's not facing us), Wang

CTSoxFan
10-13-05, 08:04 AM
I was going to sarcastically answer "Kevin Brown," but I'm afraid that will start an equally sarcastic movement towards the establishment of the Matt Clement Fan Club. ;)

SoCal Pinstriper
10-13-05, 08:18 AM
I was going to sarcastically answer "Kevin Brown," but I'm afraid that will start an equally sarcastic movement towards the establishment of the Matt Clement Fan Club. ;)Amazing that you found a way to get both those names in a sentence with a happy smilie.

For Me:
Duque
Dontrelle
Maddux
Rocket
Pedro (much more as a Met)
Too many more to name except for about two months this year, my very favorite was Chacon. :)

Kceracerone
10-13-05, 08:45 AM
RJ, Rivera, Zito, Maddux in his prime, Clemens, Pedro.
I saw Maddux get his 13th win this year at Miller park. He threw eight shutout innings on approximately 80 pitches. His location was precise throughout the game as the Brewers hit only hit four balls hard all day (two of which were fielded cleaning by Nomar). I always enjoyed watching his starts on TBS.

I must say that I have really enjoyed watching Contreras this postseason as his stuff has looked downright nasty and he has been fairly consistent. It also didn't hurt that he beat Boston.

yankeebot
10-13-05, 08:54 AM
Duque, Mo and Pedro. (no last names necessary)

S2
10-13-05, 09:13 AM
Pedro and Gagne.

JWHIII
10-13-05, 09:22 AM
Pedro in '99 and '00 was like nothing else, I loved watching him toy with hitters.

twinks34
10-13-05, 09:31 AM
Carlos Zambrano, Ted Lilly, Maddux, Kerry Wood ( :( ).

Babe Rules
10-13-05, 09:47 AM
Pedro and Santana. It's just hilarious to watch hitters wave at the changeup.

Same here.

Snatch Catch
10-13-05, 10:29 AM
I was going to sarcastically answer "Kevin Brown," but I'm afraid that will start an equally sarcastic movement towards the establishment of the Matt Clement Fan Club. ;)

I seriously answer Kevin Brown.

When he was good, he was AMAZING to watch.

Kerry Wood is probably in my top 5 along with RJ, Pedro, Brown, and...can't think of a definitive 5th...Billy Wagner, maybe?

Kluivert4Ever
10-13-05, 10:31 AM
Pedro Martinez

Babe Rules
10-13-05, 10:34 AM
When on, I like to watch Jose Lima as well. :P

Although it's almost never.

highheat2014
10-13-05, 10:44 AM
Bhuerle, just because when he is on the game goes by quickly. And Johan Santan.

DaBoys4LifeNYY35
10-13-05, 11:36 AM
I can't believe someone else said Jeff Weaver. Good job Nat!
When he drops down to sidearm to strike a guy out... :drool: :drool: :drool:

Did you get a good look at him from about mid-May last season (2004) through early September? And at times this season too, but not nearly as consistently as that chunk of time... he was really enjoyable to watch.

Dooley Womack
10-13-05, 12:27 PM
Nobody is more of a joy to watch than El Duque. Fun, animated, and gives 100 different looks.

stephsamps
10-13-05, 12:29 PM
Maddux
Duque
Mo
Coney (loved the Laredo)
D-Train
Pettitte
Josh Beckett (although 03 was way painful)

Least favorite would be Nomo, the human rain delay

Dooley Womack
10-13-05, 12:58 PM
Maddux

Least favorite would be Nomo, the human rain delay

One of my least favorites is Mussina. He looks like he's constipated when he goes into his delivery.

Screech
10-13-05, 01:06 PM
Pedro, in his prime, was the greatest pitcher I've ever seen. By far.

True Yankee-ette13
10-13-05, 01:47 PM
I was going to sarcastically answer "Kevin Brown," but I'm afraid that will start an equally sarcastic movement towards the establishment of the Matt Clement Fan Club. ;)

The KB of the 90's was very good. I enjoyed watching that sinker a lot.

Snatch Catch
10-13-05, 01:48 PM
The KB of the 90's was very good. I enjoyed watching that sinker a lot.

Yep. He was BEYOND very good, actually.

Sheff_Rod
10-13-05, 01:54 PM
Pedro and The Unit.

I was hoping they would pitch against each other during the Subway Series.

Babe Rules
10-13-05, 04:11 PM
Pedro and The Unit.

I was hoping they would pitch against each other during the Subway Series.

Under NL rules...

HouseThatRingsBuild
10-13-05, 04:23 PM
I always enjoyed watching Maddux in his prime....he was the master of changing locations and speeds

I sometimes like watching pitchers who have to outthink hitters to get them out....instead of just always relying on raw power

I loved watching his starts on TBS and I always liked watching The Big Three. My favorite pitcher to watch is Barry Zito unless he's walking the ballpark.

YankeeClemens22
10-13-05, 04:45 PM
Clemens and Duque

True Yankee-ette13
10-13-05, 04:46 PM
Yep. He was BEYOND very good, actually.

It honestly makes me sad to see how injuries really hampered what would have been a GREAT career. Must be frustrating for him, considering how competitive he is. But yes, he was amazing in his prime.

stephsamps
10-13-05, 04:49 PM
One of my least favorites is Mussina. He looks like he's constipated when he goes into his delivery.

Yeah and when he has men on its even worse.

Evil Empire
10-13-05, 04:51 PM
One of my least favorites is Mussina. He looks like he's constipated when he goes into his delivery.

I like Mussina from the stretch.

NelsonMuntz
10-13-05, 04:56 PM
Pedro (even though I'm usually rooting against him)
Mark Prior
El Duque
Pettitte
Cone
Mo

Runan
10-13-05, 04:56 PM
Wakefield. He just has such a nice, easy delivery, and you sit there thinking "How the heck are these guys not clobbering him?" But when he's on, hitters just flail and get this disgusted look on their faces. It's great.

Of course, when he's NOT on... :uhh:

Also, Brad Lidge. :ga-ga: :drool:

NYYBombshell
10-13-05, 05:13 PM
I like Mussina from the stretch.


So do I. :ga-ga:

pedromartinezfan
10-13-05, 05:14 PM
Pedro in his prime was the best ever.

dabomb2045
10-13-05, 05:19 PM
When he drops down to sidearm to strike a guy out... :drool: :drool: :drool:

Did you get a good look at him from about mid-May last season (2004) through early September? And at times this season too, but not nearly as consistently as that chunk of time... he was really enjoyable to watch.


if he wasnt such a nutcase, he may actually be a real good pitcher

I went to a Dodgers-Angels game this year when I was out in SoCal....and Weaver had a perfect game 2 outs into the 6th inning and was just dominating. Then the last out in the 6th should have been recorded, but Izturis lost a high infield pop-up in the lights and dropped it.

Weaver just flipped out, started doing his usual "temper tantrum" crap on the mound...sulking, yelling at Izturis, looking like he wanted to cry. Then he just completely imploded....gave up like 7 hits in a row including 2 HR's. Angels went on to win 7-0

WebsterMulligan
10-13-05, 05:37 PM
Pedro
El Duque
Kerry Wood

Winfield31
10-13-05, 05:41 PM
El Duque, Oliver Perez, and to go back a few years, Oil Can Boyd. :)

twinks34
10-13-05, 06:14 PM
Shoot, forgot about Oliver Perez. And I agree, KB was awesome.

Brent
10-13-05, 06:38 PM
I liked the early/mid 90s Jimmey Key, and of course Mo.

ppa79
10-13-05, 06:44 PM
Prior

Carissa
10-13-05, 06:51 PM
Barry Zito - LOVE that curve ball
Moose
Mo

I remember watching Weaver pitch a game against the Braves right before we got him. It was amazing to see.

Gringaloca
10-13-05, 07:59 PM
ElDuque
Pedro as long as it wasn't againt the Yankees
Clemens
Pettitte

Someone mentioned Luis Tiant...& OilCan Boyd. :)

How 'bout the 'one armed-bandit'...LHP Jim Abbott? :D Holding that glove up under his right armpit, and switch it over to his left hand ready to field the ball after the pitch.

Pitched a no-hitter against Cleveland, Sept 4, 1993....unbelieveable talent.

Not to mention...he's a "MICHIGAN" Alum... ;) :ga-ga:

Rice14
10-13-05, 08:34 PM
Pedro in 1999.

MattUNC2003
10-13-05, 09:21 PM
Non-Yankees:
Johan Santana
Andy Pettitte
Rocket
Tim Hudson
Barry Zito
Mark Prior
D-Train

Yankees:
Moose
Wang
Chacon
Mo

PaulieIsAwesome
10-13-05, 09:22 PM
Nobody is more of a joy to watch than El Duque. Fun, animated, and gives 100 different looks.

Absolutely. Probably the most fun to watch pitch.

I like Oswalt. Very, I don't know, methodical, smart, and yet great, great stuff.

surge511
10-13-05, 09:43 PM
My favorites to watch when on:
Randy, Moose, Pavano, Wang, and Chacon

Those are just my random favorites ;)

jonnyc39
10-13-05, 10:04 PM
I have really enjoyed watching Oswalt tonight. While I wouldn't call him "animated," he has a Perdo-esque presence about him, in that when he is dominating, and he knows he is dominating, he walks off the mound with this look that screams "you have no chance."

Cocky pitchers are a lot of fun to watch.

Runan
10-13-05, 10:21 PM
I'm going to have to add Mussina and Zito to my list, but for more, um, aesthetic reasons... :uhh: :ga-ga:

True Yankee-ette13
10-13-05, 10:23 PM
Cocky pitchers are a lot of fun to watch.

That's why I LOVE Carlos Zambrano. I'd probably die of utter glee if he ever became a Yankee.

True Yankee-ette13
10-13-05, 10:24 PM
I'm going to have to add Mussina and Zito to my list, but for more, um, aesthetic reasons... :uhh: :ga-ga:

Uh, hello Mr. Mulder and Mr. Brandon Backe. :ga-ga:

Dooley Womack
10-13-05, 10:25 PM
The KB of the 90's was very good. I enjoyed watching that sinker a lot.

Sheeeet. KB of 2003 was just as fantastic. If only.........

True Yankee-ette13
10-13-05, 10:27 PM
Sheeeet. KB of 2003 was just as fantastic. If only.........

I swear the Yankees have the worst luck ever. :o

I hear ya.

Dooley Womack
10-13-05, 10:38 PM
I swear the Yankees have the worst luck ever. :o

I hear ya.

The luck is about to change. Don't you worry your pretty little head off, TY. I'm here to promise you a 20-7, 2.86, 290K year from RJ in 2006. He just needed one year under his belt in NY and the AL.

b-ball-lunachick
10-13-05, 10:41 PM
Duque...he's an artist when he's on...and when he's not, he's pure drama. :D all time favorite to watch. :)

dabomb2045
10-13-05, 10:44 PM
The luck is about to change. Don't you worry your pretty little head off, TY. I'm here to promise you a 20-7, 2.86, 290K year from RJ in 2006. He just needed one year under his belt in NY and the AL.


I like pitchers who come to NY....embrace the spotlight and the pressure and EXCEEED expectations

Shawn Chacon

Dooley Womack
10-13-05, 10:52 PM
I like pitchers who come to NY....embrace the spotlight and the pressure and EXCEEED expectations

Shawn Chacon

Very true. But then again, the world's weight isn't on their shoulders either, though that doesn't take away from what Chacon accomplished. I'm psyched about a full year of Chacon in 2006.

MassNYYfan
10-13-05, 10:58 PM
Jamie Moyer.















Ok, not really. Nobody I can think of that hasn't been named, though. :)

dabomb2045
10-13-05, 11:00 PM
Very true. But then again, the world's weight isn't on their shoulders either, though that doesn't take away from what Chacon accomplished. I'm psyched about a full year of Chacon in 2006.


same here...I couldnt disagree more with the "trade Chacon while his value is high" people...like Goldman's Pinstripe Bible on yesnetwork.com

I want Chacon to be a part of this rotation for a long time

scull567
10-13-05, 11:03 PM
same here...I couldnt disagree more with the "trade Chacon while his value is high" people...like Goldman's Pinstripe Bible on yesnetwork.com

I want Chacon to be a part of this rotation for a long time

I kind of agree with what Goldman. His peripherals are one of a league average or worse pitcher. His value is so high right now and I'm sure the Yankees could get something pretty good for him. They should at least consider trading him to fill some of the other holes on their team.

Dooley Womack
10-13-05, 11:10 PM
I kind of agree with what Goldman. His peripherals are one of a league average or worse pitcher. His value is so high right now and I'm sure the Yankees could get something pretty good for him. They should at least consider trading him to fill some of the other holes on their team.

One hole is pitching. As we learn year to year, you never have enough. Why trade such a valuable commodity who proved he can pitch in NY AND in big games, which is no small shakes?

Dooley Womack
10-13-05, 11:11 PM
same here...I couldnt disagree more with the "trade Chacon while his value is high" people...like Goldman's Pinstripe Bible on yesnetwork.com

I want Chacon to be a part of this rotation for a long time

I'm drooling at the prospect of a healthy 2006 for Chacon, with his velocity of his fb back up to 91-92.

True Yankee-ette13
10-13-05, 11:55 PM
The luck is about to change. Don't you worry your pretty little head off, TY. I'm here to promise you a 20-7, 2.86, 290K year from RJ in 2006. He just needed one year under his belt in NY and the AL.

From your mouth to God's ears. :gulp:

I've always been on the RJ bandwagon and I'm here for the long haul.

True Yankee-ette13
10-13-05, 11:56 PM
same here...I couldnt disagree more with the "trade Chacon while his value is high" people...like Goldman's Pinstripe Bible on yesnetwork.com

I want Chacon to be a part of this rotation for a long time

God, that's ridiculous. I can't understand that logic. He's pitched great, seems unfazed by pressure and is relatively young. Yeah, let's trade him!

People p*ss me off.

FreeYayo
10-14-05, 12:51 AM
Pedro
Pedro
Pedro

So F'n good

NYYBombshell
10-14-05, 02:10 AM
I'm going to have to add Mussina and Zito to my list, but for more, um, aesthetic reasons... :uhh: :ga-ga:


I agree about Zito.


Add Rich Harden to that list and you've got a deal.

Casey37
10-14-05, 05:30 AM
My favorites to watch when on:
Randy, Moose, Pavano, Wang, and Chacon

Those are just my random favorites ;)

No Mo?

fanyank
10-14-05, 07:29 AM
I love when Mo breaks three bats in a row

Epy7280
10-14-05, 07:42 AM
Pedro Martinez
Mike Mussina
Randy Johnson

Little Big Sheff
10-14-05, 07:49 AM
Pedro.

Gooden.
And Hershiser in the 1988 postseason.
(and yes, I am the kind of guy who like "Wargames" more than "Harry Potter")

Little Big Sheff
10-14-05, 07:55 AM
God, that's ridiculous. I can't understand that logic. He's pitched great, seems unfazed by pressure and is relatively young. Yeah, let's trade him!

People p*ss me off.

I'd like to see a full year of Chacon, but I can very well understand the "sell high" logic.
Look at Oakland and the Mulder and Hudson trades. They got more than a fair value for their two main pitchers.

chanman7483
10-14-05, 08:54 AM
I knew Brad Lidge was NASTY, but watching him last last vs the Cardinals was something else, just blowing guys away with 97-98 MPH heat, along with a tight slider that goes straight into the dirt that guys swing at. Disgusting. Here are his #s for the year.

71.2 IP, 103 K's, 23 BB

Also, this guy takes care of business. There is no messing around when the count is 0-2, 1-2. How many times have you guys seen pitchers try to nibble and get cute and end up going to 3-2? Not Lidge:

Count 0-2: 57 AB, 41k's, .088 AVG, .228 OPS
Count 1-2: 59 AB, 37k's, .034 AVG, .068 OPS

Think about that. :eek:

Snatch Catch
10-14-05, 09:09 AM
I knew Brad Lidge was NASTY, but watching him last last vs the Cardinals was something else, just blowing guys away with 97-98 MPH heat, along with a tight slider that goes straight into the dirt that guys swing at. Disgusting. Here are his #s for the year.

71.2 IP, 103 K's, 23 BB

Also, this guy takes care of business. There is no messing around when the count is 0-2, 1-2. How many times have you guys seen pitchers try to nibble and get cute and end up going to 3-2? Not Lidge:

Count 0-2: 57 AB, 41k's, .088 AVG, .228 OPS
Count 1-2: 59 AB, 37k's, .034 AVG, .068 OPS

Think about that. :eek:

Filth.

Did you look at his numbers last year?

94.2 IP, 157 K.

That strikeout total placed him 15th in the National League, ahead of such names as Carpenter, Weaver, Eaton, Wood, Prior, Pavano, Willis, Millwood, and Maddux.

In the AL, Colon had ONE MORE K than him that year, and Mussina, Mulder and Sabathia were all behind.

Little Big Sheff
10-14-05, 09:37 AM
I think Lidge is the best in business behind you-know-who.

Snatch Catch
10-14-05, 09:40 AM
Filth.

Did you look at his numbers last year?

94.2 IP, 157 K.

That strikeout total placed him 15th in the National League, ahead of such names as Carpenter, Weaver, Eaton, Wood, Prior, Pavano, Willis, Millwood, and Maddux.

In the AL, Colon had ONE MORE K than him that year, and Mussina, Mulder and Sabathia were all behind.

P.S. - I have him for $19.

Holla.

chanman7483
10-14-05, 10:23 AM
P.S. - I have him for $19.

Holla.

I'll trade you billy wagner for him :)

metalyank
10-14-05, 10:57 AM
Duque, I like that when he gets bored, he loads the bases and then freeze everybody out. Not good for the heart though.

swityak11
10-14-05, 11:34 AM
Pedro, Rivera, Jose Rijo

TrishPike
10-14-05, 04:05 PM
Lidge, Lidge, Lidge... boy is close to unhittable. He's absolutely amazing.

Pedro
Santana
Farnsworth (gotta love the 98 mph heat)
Clemens
Oswalt
DiNardo (yeah I know, weird pick, but he just has this really cool delivery)

ruthianblast
10-14-05, 04:11 PM
Mark Prior, Roy Oswalt, Jack Morris, Santana, Pedro Martinez. I'll think a bunch more later but that's my starting rotation of pitchers I love to watch when "on"

nahzo
10-14-05, 04:39 PM
Duque, Willis, and Mo.

Runan
10-14-05, 04:54 PM
I will never get tired of watching Brad Lidge pitch. I was eagerly anticipating the end of last night's 'Stros/Cards game just so I could see him come in and close. :ga-ga:

(They say chicks dig the longball, but THIS chick digs the strikeouts.)

SubwayFanatic
10-16-05, 12:25 AM
Pedro, in his prime, was the greatest pitcher I've ever seen. By far.


I saw a game he pitched that was played on ESPN Classic about six months back. I believe it was versus the Yankees in 1999.

It was literally jaw-dropping to see just how good this guy was in his prime. I mean, he is still damn good now, but you almost forget just how insanely good he was during that 1999-2000.

That blazing fastball, unhittable changeup, the way he could hit all his targets so accurately... Just unreal.

Like him or not, I am not sure we'll ever see a pitcher that good again in our lifetime.

Huktonfonix
10-16-05, 12:49 AM
The only one I haven't seen mentioned here is a healthy David Wells. He's got a curveball almost as pretty as Zito's, and he can throw it for strikes consistently. I've always enjoyed watching the guys with pinpoint control the most. Cone and Maddux were among my favorites as well.

That said, I get giddy watching Mo shatter bats.

rivera,s cutter
10-16-05, 02:57 PM
Clemens
Pedro
Maddux
Rivera

Murphy
10-16-05, 03:27 PM
Pedro
Clemens
Santana
Lidge
Zambrano

True Yankee-ette13
10-16-05, 05:31 PM
Zambrano

Victor? ;)

RhodeyYankee2638
10-16-05, 05:56 PM
Victor? ;)

Its more fun to watch him when he is not on

CptCrunch
10-16-05, 06:05 PM
(They say chicks dig the longball, but THIS chick digs the strikeouts.)

I strike out all the time ;).

stupidpunchline
10-16-05, 09:02 PM
Mark F'n Prior

Huktonfonix
10-16-05, 09:13 PM
I was wondering why it took so long for Prior to get a mention.

dkman
10-17-05, 03:11 PM
I have to bring up Mo again. I think there are two levels of mo "on". One is the very good Mo who might walk someone or give up a hit, or might even pitch a 1-2-3. But I really like watching him when he has a little something extra. Some examples this year are the Boston game on july 15th when he struck out the red sox 1st, 2nd and 3rd batters swinging and ortiz to end the game. Also that game against Texas when he came in in the 8th and shut them down, the last pitch was a 97 mph 4 seamer on the outside corner.

Another guy is Kerry Wood. His mechanics thatenable him to throw so hard also cause his injury, so I doubt he will ever be able to be consistant without changing mechanics. But when he struck out 20 he was unhittable.

Stan Musial
10-18-05, 05:15 AM
Old-School:
1. Bob Gibson..best pitcher of his era and I actually got to see him pitch. It was once noted that he had 4 pitches..the fastball, the slider, change-up and the brushback.
2. Nolan Ryan..how many guys throw a 90mph curve ball. When he was on..unhittable
3. John Tudor..I saw him in '82 when the Cards won the WS. Masterful that season
4. Bob Forsch..again I am a Cardinals homer
5. Roger Clemens circa 1986.
6. Orel Hershiser..the man was the best pitcher of his era
7. Doc Gooden..oh, how I hated what he did to the Cards in 1986..the dreaded Pond Scum
8. Sid Fernandez..dont know why, but I loved/hated watching him pitch
9. Lee Smith..the greatest closer no one ever talks about. One of my all-time favourite players and one mean SOB.

New School:
1. Barry Zito..he's got a devastating 12-6, knee-buckle curve. Excellent to watch pitch.
2. Chris Carpenter..doesnt get the respect around the league, but a great pitcher to watch.
3. Pedro Martinez..for further proof watch the 2004 WS. Unhittable when he's on
4. Mariano Rivera..best closer to ever and has the nastiest cutter in the game
5. Zach Duke..if you've never seen or heard of him..you will..and soon.
6. Carlos Zambrano..as much as I hate the Cubs, and him being a total nutter, he can pitch like few others.
7. Roy Oswalt..make no mistake, this guy is the best pitcher in the NL. Perennial 20 game winner with 95mph darts low in the zone and sick movement. He's the entire package (and how I wish he was a Cardinal)
8. Jason Schmidt..when he's on, he's the best pitcher in baseball. Hurt much of the season, but will be back to form.

DrYankee
10-18-05, 06:18 AM
Catfish Hunter, Jim Palmer, Vida Blue :)

penfold
10-18-05, 12:07 PM
Goose Gossage

S2
10-18-05, 12:21 PM
I forgot to mention Brad Lidge. Still better than 99% of the closers out there today.

Circle Change
10-18-05, 04:44 PM
8. Jason Schmidt..when he's on, he's the best pitcher in baseball. Hurt much of the season, but will be back to form.

I really like this pick.

During the time in which Schmidt was considered to be the best pitcher in the NL if not all of baseball (2003 to late 2004) before his groin injury that cost him the 2004 Cy, he had without a doubt one of the best four-seam fastballs in the history of baseball and that isn't a joke. Very few have ever thrown 97 MPH with such exploding late movement as it reached the plate... I would take Schmidt's four-seam over the likes of Randy Johnson's and Roger Clemens' in their prime. Not Pedro because his had even more movement. He also threw (throws) a hard 84-88 MPH changeup that dives like a splitter much like Gagne's.

35Knucklecurve
10-19-05, 03:05 PM
Sandy Koufax - he was just plain spellbinding

Dennis Eckersley - one eye shut like looking through the crosshairs

D-Train Willis - probably has more fun then any pitcher I've ever seen

Barry Zito - curveball, have a seat

Moose - poetry in motion, chess match with 20 weapons

Mike Fetters - tell me you didn't crack up with that head snap for the sign - fun to watch without actually throwing a pitch

Mo - human toothpick factory

dkman
10-19-05, 04:15 PM
I have to bring up Mo again. I think there are two levels of mo "on". One is the very good Mo who might walk someone or give up a hit, or might even pitch a 1-2-3. But I really like watching him when he has a little something extra. Some examples this year are the Boston game on july 15th when he struck out the red sox 1st, 2nd and 3rd batters swinging and ortiz to end the game. Also that game against Texas when he came in in the 8th and shut them down, the last pitch was a 97 mph 4 seamer on the outside corner.

Another guy is Kerry Wood. His mechanics thatenable him to throw so hard also cause his injury, so I doubt he will ever be able to be consistant without changing mechanics. But when he struck out 20 he was unhittable.

I have to add Troy Percival to this list. In his prime he threw as hard as anyone and had a good curve. I also loved to watch him because in the right situation he would challenge any hitter and win in most cases. It was great to see him groove a 98 mph fastball right down the pipe in the WS challenging Barry Bonds. Of course, Bonds hit it a mile, but its so rare to see a pitcher actually challenge a hitter.

Sixty one
10-19-05, 04:25 PM
Even though I'm not a fan of his, I do appreciate Pedro when he is pitching. I love the way he sets up batters with his many deliveries and change of speeds. He is a master! For you old timers out there, I also enjoyed watching Sal "The Barber" Maglie who pitched for the Dodgers, Giants and Yanks back in the 1950's. He was a true master of the curve ball. He also was the opposing pitcher when Larsen pitched his perfecto and had a great game even though he lost.