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GordonGecko
08-16-12, 07:33 PM
Knicks announced today there will be no preseason games at the Garden because of the renovations. The regular season will start on schedule against the Miami Heat on November 2.

SLURPEE
08-22-12, 12:25 PM
New Uni's.

Looks half retro, half modern.


http://www.iamagm.com/article/rumor-nba-2k13-reveals-knicks-new-uniforms#.UDUHokS7_u1

Flushing Roots
08-22-12, 02:46 PM
Knicks announced today there will be no preseason games at the Garden because of the renovations. The regular season will start on schedule against the Miami Heat on November 2.That is a gift from God!:2thumbs::2thumbs::2thumbs::2thumbs::2thumbs:

SLURPEE
09-06-12, 11:17 AM
I think they look good.

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Snatch Catch
09-06-12, 11:27 AM
So much better with no black!

bcom33
09-06-12, 12:48 PM
I still don't understand why the trim doesn't go all the way around the arm, but that's my only nitpick really.

SLURPEE
09-06-12, 12:55 PM
The trim not going all the way around the arm is dumb. But I heard it was for comfort reasons.

That's the only thing I don't like about the jersey. Also the grey is pointless. imo.

RYMASTER or Ryan_Yankees
09-07-12, 01:37 PM
Ronnie Brewer out six weeks with a torn meniscus.

GordonGecko
09-07-12, 01:42 PM
Ronnie Brewer out six weeks with a torn meniscus.

doing what

RYMASTER or Ryan_Yankees
09-08-12, 10:11 AM
Lord.

http://www.insidehoops.com/blog/?p=10895


Knicks owner James Dolan staged a business meeting with Isiah Thomas yesterday morning at the Mandarin Hotel in Midtown, according to a person familiar with the situation.

Yankees1962
09-08-12, 11:10 AM
Lord.

http://www.insidehoops.com/blog/?p=10895
It doesn't matter to me as I cancelled my NBA Pass subscription with DirecTV as my expectations for the Knicks is in the tank. I have zero excitement for them and there are only a few players on that roster that I actually like so it's nothing there for me except the uniform. Did I state, I hate the Knick Owner?

GordonGecko
09-08-12, 01:52 PM
Dolan wanted to take him out to thank him for his Jeremy Lin advice

Yankees1962
09-08-12, 05:50 PM
I didn't think it was possible, but Dolan could piss off the Knick fanbase enough that he loses a significant portion of the franchise's fanbase to the Nets, but the Nets would have to win while the Knicks struggles big-tme and then combined that with rehiring an unpopular person like Thomas. Dolan could be that cocky and dumb while misreading the pulse of the Knick fans.

bcom33
09-11-12, 03:12 PM
Knicks sign John Shurna (Steve Novak clone) among others:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOcJrQOXTFU

That is one of the fastest releases I've ever seen, though it has to be since his release angle is so far forward. I hope he makes the team.

SLURPEE
09-14-12, 02:40 PM
I don't care what anyone says, this team is going to be good. Charles Barkley (he recently said the Nets were better:-notfunny....smh) can shove it.

I like the fact that Chandler, Stoudemire and Melo, are having their own mini camp to work on chemistry.


Chandler
Stoudemire
Anthony
Brewer
Felton

Camby
K.Martin (crosses fingers he signs here)
Novak
Smith
Kidd

:drool:

Flushing Roots
09-15-12, 08:22 AM
I don't care what anyone says, this team is going to be good. Charles Barkley (he recently said the Nets were better:-notfunny....smh) can shove it.

I like the fact that Chandler, Stoudemire and Melo, are having their own mini camp to work on chemistry.


Chandler
Stoudemire
Anthony
Brewer
Felton

Camby
K.Martin (crosses fingers he signs here)
Novak
Smith
Kidd

:drool:FWIW Chris Bosh came out today and said the Knicks would be a good team. Only a month and a half to November 1st!:2thumbs::2thumbs::2thumbs::2thumbs:

Yankees1962
09-17-12, 10:04 AM
The Knicks are stuck with that idiot owner, but hopefully, Olajuwon can help our bigs improve their inside games this season.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/16/sports/basketball/how-hakeem-olajuwon-became-invested-in-the-knicks.html?_r=0

SLURPEE
09-17-12, 11:19 AM
The team is finally built on defense. If only they had a PG like CP3 :(, they'd have a chance at a championship.

GimeMoMuny
09-18-12, 11:52 AM
Shumpert's making progress, as well.

http://twitter.yfrog.com/nf9q1lirgaruynkodriifugqz

madjack
09-18-12, 02:01 PM
Knicks sign John Shurna (Steve Novak clone) among others:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOcJrQOXTFU

That is one of the fastest releases I've ever seen, though it has to be since his release angle is so far forward. I hope he makes the team.

That's one of the ugliest jump shots I have ever seen.

bcom33
09-18-12, 03:28 PM
That's one of the ugliest jump shots I have ever seen.

I completely agree. But what's not ugly is 44% from 3.

Snatch Catch
09-21-12, 10:39 AM
Great piece on J.R. Smith and the NBA culture surrounding that crop of HS draftees from the lat 90's.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8396297/view/full/is-new-york-knicks-shooting-guard-jr-smith-misguided-just-misunderstood

GordonGecko
09-21-12, 12:04 PM
Knicks 2012-13 presale going on RIGHT NOW:
http://www.ticketmaster.com/promo/kfgov4

password is SUBSCRIBER

Snatch Catch
09-21-12, 12:32 PM
Knicks 2012-13 presale going on RIGHT NOW:
http://www.ticketmaster.com/promo/kfgov4

password is SUBSCRIBER

Awesome, thanks so much, GG. I was able to get 2 tickets for my son and me to that first weekend game against the Sixers because of your post. That's huge for me considering I won't be re-upping my tickets.

GordonGecko
09-21-12, 12:59 PM
Awesome, thanks so much, GG. I was able to get 2 tickets for my son and me to that first weekend game against the Sixers because of your post. That's huge for me considering I won't be re-upping my tickets.

cool, hopefully you got a decent price. The Knicks use dynamic pricing and often they price tickets at well over market rate (like against the Rockets)

Snatch Catch
09-21-12, 01:10 PM
If they were just for me, or for me and my wife/friends, then I could wait around and let prices drop, maybe ride the day-of-the-game StubHub wave, but because it's for my 3-year-old and the only option is a weekend day game, it's crucial to lock them in well in advance so we can plan for it.

GordonGecko
09-21-12, 01:20 PM
If they were just for me, or for me and my wife/friends, then I could wait around and let prices drop, maybe ride the day-of-the-game StubHub wave, but because it's for my 3-year-old and the only option is a weekend day game, it's crucial to lock them in well in advance so we can plan for it.

Nice, my 4 year old still wouldn't be able to sit through a whole game, which is why I'll only take him to a Yankees or Mets game where I can get in for 5 bucks because chances are he's going to want to be somewhere else 2 innings into it. I can't wait til he's older so I can take him to see the Knicks, Rangers, and Jets

awy
09-25-12, 07:38 PM
I didn't think it was possible, but Dolan could piss off the Knick fanbase enough that he loses a significant portion of the franchise's fanbase to the Nets, but the Nets would have to win while the Knicks struggles big-tme and then combined that with rehiring an unpopular person like Thomas. Dolan could be that cocky and dumb while misreading the pulse of the Knick fans.

there's no way i'll suffer a guy like that owning a team i root for. just no way.

i still want them to win, and i like melo. but that's about it.

Snatch Catch
09-28-12, 09:40 AM
So if you haven't seen it, Tyson had an exhibit of his photography in the city a few days ago, and almost the entire team showed up to support him.

These pics, though rife with ridiculous fashion (seriously, Tyson?), gave me a great feeling. My excitement for this season remains high, and I love the team vibe they're giving off - bodes well to continue making big strides defensively. Also notice that Ewing and Houston were there as well, with Camby serving as the bridge to today's team.

http://www.beyondthebuzzer.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/561.png

http://blogimages.thescore.com/tbj/files/2012/09/tyson-chandler-carmelo-anthony-exhibit.jpg

http://blogimages.thescore.com/tbj/files/2012/09/tyson-chandler-jason-kidd-michael-strahan-exhibit.jpg

http://blogimages.thescore.com/tbj/files/2012/09/amare-stoudemire-baron-davis-exhibit.jpg

http://i368.photobucket.com/albums/oo126/theybf/September%202012/cef7_zps30eba3e3.jpg

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/423651_10151453075608709_261763138_n.jpg

THEBOSS84
09-28-12, 09:44 AM
You're picking on Tyson's fashion? It's a black blazer with a black v-neck, nothing wrong with that. If anything look at JR Smith and that dude who I don't know, both of whom are rocking nasty looking vests (the dude I don't know is wearing leather pants too).

SLURPEE
09-28-12, 09:59 AM
That's J.R's brother.

Melo looks like he came out of a time machine. The year......1988.

GordonGecko
09-28-12, 10:01 AM
You're picking on Tyson's fashion? It's a black blazer with a black v-neck, nothing wrong with that. If anything look at JR Smith and that dude who I don't know, both of whom are rocking nasty looking vests (the dude I don't know is wearing leather pants too).

That's because Snatch's pics are tame, you ain't seen nothing yet!! Tyson Chandler has taken to the frumpy middle aged soccer mom look:

http://blogimages.thescore.com/tbj/files/2012/09/tyson-chandler-fashion-week-amish-1.jpg

http://i48.tinypic.com/2d7w1w.jpg

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/26475617.jpg

THEBOSS84
09-28-12, 10:08 AM
Good lord.

Snatch Catch
09-28-12, 10:12 AM
Yeah, I guess those pictures didn't show the fulness of the capris and shoes/socks.

http://blogimages.thescore.com/tbj/files/2012/09/tyson-chandler-exhibit.jpg

And Stephen Jackson called them out on Twitter. Can't say I disagree with him at all:

http://www.beyondthebuzzer.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/stephenjackson.png

RYMASTER or Ryan_Yankees
09-28-12, 10:13 AM
0_o

...

SLURPEE
09-28-12, 10:36 AM
That's because Snatch's pics are tame, you ain't seen nothing yet!! Tyson Chandler has taken to the frumpy middle aged soccer mom look:



http://i48.tinypic.com/2d7w1w.jpg



Denise Huxtable wants her outfit back.

Flushing Roots
09-28-12, 04:32 PM
Denise Huxtable wants her outfit back.Where I grew up you'd get your ass kicked for that!

Flushing Roots
09-28-12, 04:34 PM
That's because Snatch's pics are tame, you ain't seen nothing yet!! Tyson Chandler has taken to the frumpy middle aged soccer mom look:

http://blogimages.thescore.com/tbj/files/2012/09/tyson-chandler-fashion-week-amish-1.jpg

http://i48.tinypic.com/2d7w1w.jpg

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/26475617.jpgMaybe the elevator doesn't go to the top floor!:wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf:

Snatch Catch
09-28-12, 04:45 PM
Not even trying to be funny, but those ensembles look a ton to me like they're from that ridiculous Kobe photoshoot from a year or two ago, but in black instead of white.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6a00d8341c630a53ef0134802f972f970c-800wi

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6a00d8341c630a53ef0133ecfff7b8970b-800wi

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6a00d8341c630a53ef0134802f97ab970c-800wi

GordonGecko
09-28-12, 04:58 PM
Well while we're talking about stupid athlete photo shoots, we can't forget A-Rod

http://www.shoppingblog.com/pics/arod_kissing_mirror.jpg

GimeMoMuny
09-28-12, 05:24 PM
Chandler's eccentric. It's part of why he came to NYC.


“Probably the most dramatic pieces in my wardrobe would be capes,” the center reportedly said. “I wouldn’t consider myself Goth, but I love Gothic pieces,” he continued.

The article describes Chandler's off-the-court demeanor as an "art-loving hipster with a beard and a passion for photography and friends." No stranger to style, Chandler probably feels comfortable exploring different types of fashions with teammates like Amar'e Stoudemire and Carmelo Anthony also making regular appearances at fashion shows and stylish ceremonies like the Met Gala.

Chander likes that New York has a lot of different types of clothes for sale, whether it's dark designers or high-end tailoring. “When I’m in other cities, you can’t just pop up at Rick Owens….You can’t just go down to Tom Ford,” he said.

http://www.complex.com/style/2012/06/tyson-chandler-loves-wearing-capes

GimeMoMuny
09-28-12, 05:47 PM
So, what's the verdict on Rasheed Wallace?

I don't think he'll do any harm in assuming a limited role.

grizy
09-29-12, 10:43 PM
Felton+Rasheed

Hm... I actually might have lower body fat% than those two.

Snatch Catch
10-01-12, 12:17 PM
"Hi, haters."

http://p.twimg.com/A4IYq9DCAAAtYyu.jpg

4train
10-02-12, 12:15 PM
Oof, cheapest tix to marquee Knick games are $120 plus megafees? Whatever, I assume they'll e-mail me constantly when tickets are $10 again.

SLURPEE
10-02-12, 12:28 PM
Loving the new uniforms. See ya black.

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Anyone see the Net uniforms? They kind of bland looking imo. They should of added a 3rd color.

Flushing Roots
10-02-12, 03:15 PM
Loving the new uniforms. See ya black.

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Anyone see the Net uniforms? They kind of bland looking imo. They should of added a 3rd color.I saw them in the Post today. Big improvement over the cheesy ones they have had for years. More classic looking.

grizy
10-02-12, 03:47 PM
"Hi, haters."

http://p.twimg.com/A4IYq9DCAAAtYyu.jpg

That's pretty good shape for him.

For an NBA player....

Snatch Catch
10-02-12, 03:53 PM
That's pretty good shape for him.

For an NBA player....

I don't know, man. I think your tired snark may be beyond reach of him this time.

The guy's naturally built like a fire hydrant. He looks to be in good shape without any adjustment for his history.

http://cache3.asset-cache.net/gc/153196774-raymond-felton-of-the-new-york-knicks-poses-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=GkZZ8bf5zL1ZiijUmxa7QYZBNx6YXrTKgRvkFktR9FxvW3WDVvO%2BE2U142i1XJ6Q3tT5eSdV9Db9TMgJIn7s9pZVeiD9r8tXgPlTVGEhqLIAk0va5%2BEBC8xND0IGNU5U

http://ww3.hdnux.com/photos/15/36/12/3531418/3/628x471.jpg

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1172465.1349148886!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/knicks2s-1-web.jpg

Snatch Catch
10-13-12, 09:19 PM
It's only two preseason games, but Felton's passing ability looks really solid.

Snatch Catch
10-14-12, 11:41 AM
I know they have significant shortcomings, but watching Felton, Kidd, and Prig running the point last night was an amazing feeling. REAL plays/decisions were being made on every possession down the floor.

Felton is the "worst" of the 3 in that regard, and even he looked good in terms of using his weapons instead of constantly looking for his shot. Kidd and Prig were a pleasure to watch - I can't stress that enough. They were running crafty PnRs, and you could just see them doing things to set up the defense in advance of the play they were executing.

GordonGecko
10-14-12, 12:10 PM
I know they have significant shortcomings, but watching Felton, Kidd, and Prig running the point last night was an amazing feeling. REAL plays/decisions were being made on every possession down the floor.

Felton is the "worst" of the 3 in that regard, and even he looked good in terms of using his weapons instead of constantly looking for his shot. Kidd and Prig were a pleasure to watch - I can't stress that enough. They were running crafty PnRs, and you could just see them doing things to set up the defense in advance of the play they were executing.

Yeah things are very promising, I like that Carmelo & Chandler are in mid season form already. Should be a good season, but I still miss Lin

GordonGecko
10-15-12, 10:50 AM
Hey if anyone is interested, I have a pair of tickets for tonight's Knicks season ticket holder event that starts at 6:30 pm on the Upper West side. All the Knicks will be there (Melo, Chandler, Stat, etc...), and there's going to be free food and entertainment. I can't go, so PM me if you want the tix. I'll give them for free, gotta pick up in Manhattan you just owe me a favor in the future! :D

Snatch Catch
10-15-12, 10:56 AM
Hey if anyone is interested, I have a pair of tickets for tonight's Knicks season ticket holder event that starts at 6:30 pm on the Upper West side. All the Knicks will be there (Melo, Chandler, Stat, etc...), and there's going to be free food and entertainment. I can't go, so PM me if you want the tix. I'll give them for free, gotta pick up in Manhattan you just owe me a favor in the future! :D

Wow, this would have been awesome for me, but I can't get my son into the city in time (not to mention having no one to watch my daughter :lol: ).

Maybe next time...

GordonGecko
10-15-12, 12:26 PM
Wow, this would have been awesome for me, but I can't get my son into the city in time (not to mention having no one to watch my daughter :lol: ).

Maybe next time...

You mean she can't watch herself? What do you think TV and a box of Oreos are for?? lol no worries, I'm in a similar situation I would have loved to go

Mr.Muhozi
10-16-12, 09:57 AM
Hey if anyone is interested, I have a pair of tickets for tonight's Knicks season ticket holder event that starts at 6:30 pm on the Upper West side. All the Knicks will be there (Melo, Chandler, Stat, etc...), and there's going to be free food and entertainment. I can't go, so PM me if you want the tix. I'll give them for free, gotta pick up in Manhattan you just owe me a favor in the future! :D

Throw in tickets from Heathrow to jfk and we've got a deal :)

GordonGecko
10-16-12, 01:31 PM
Lin Opens Up About His Move to the Rockets
OCTOBER 16, 2012, 12:03 AM
By NATE TAYLOR

GREENBURGH, N.Y. - As the N.B.A. season approaches, Jeremy Lin will be one of the league's most-watched players. Lin, who became an overnight global phenomenon with the Knicks in February, is now with the Houston Rockets, a young team that, in part, will be built around him.

The continuing interest in Lin is reflected in the fact that he is now being featured as the cover story in the November issue of GQ. In the article, by Will Leitch, Lin reflects at some length on the dizzying set of events that quickly took him from the fringes of the N.B.A. to a role as the starting point guard on the Knicks to his jolting departure this past summer when the Knicks declined to match the free-agent money that the Rockets were willing to pay him.

Leitch interviewed Lin in his first return to New York as an ex-Knick. "The thing about it is, there was no other way to handle the situation," Lin told Leitch. "I didn't get an offer from the Knicks, so I had to go test my market."

When he signed the offer sheet, Lin said in the interview, the Rockets told him they were 80 percent to 95 percent sure the Knicks would match the offer. Lin said he was surprised the Knicks did not keep him, especially after Carmelo Anthony, Tyson Chandler and Coach Mike Woodson had said at a dinner in Los Angeles a week before free agency began that they expected Lin would stay with the Knicks.

"I walked away like, 'This is sweet,' " Lin said. "I was thinking, 'I'm excited.' Before that dinner, I had reservations." Lin, who played college basketball at Harvard, also said in the interview that if he had never made it into the N.B.A. he would have played basketball overseas for a year and then moved on with his life, but added that he had no specific plan for what he would have done had he retired from basketball..

In the interview, Lin also spoke about the racism he felt he faced while in college and after he turned pro. He said he felt some people did not believe in his abilities because he is of Chinese and Taiwanese descent. "It's not even close to the only reason, but it was definitely part of the reason," he told the magazine. "I'm going to have to play well for a longer period of time for certain people to believe it, because I'm Asian. And that's just the reality of it."

Lin also said in the interview that he was just as surprised as everyone else in being able to play as well as he did for the Knicks, averaging 14.6 points and 6.2 assists in 35 games. "Let's just be honest," he said. "I had no idea I could play like that." He said he also agreed with skeptics who note that he has only started 25 games in his N.B.A. career. "I agree, I totally agree," he said. "I don't know how my next season's going to turn out. The things that I struggled with before last year, I'm going to struggle with next year - there's that learning process." "I have to get better," he added.

http://offthedribble.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/16/lin-opens-up-about-his-decision-to-leave-the-knicks-early-retirement-and-racism/

Snatch Catch
10-16-12, 02:03 PM
Good lord, go away Jeremy.

And this is coming from someone who wanted him to return.

As an aside, he doesn't sound too confident, and the "my knee isn't healthy yet" stuff coming out of Rockets' camp isn't exactly encouraging.

SLURPEE
10-16-12, 02:30 PM
I heard he lost 16 pounds.

GimeMoMuny
10-16-12, 02:34 PM
Who's Jeremy Lin?

teknetic
10-18-12, 12:36 PM
Carmelo loves flaunting his wealth on Instagram. There's nothing wrong with it, but I found it kinda amusing. He's doing this thing where he posts a pic of his "watch of the day." It's pretty staggering someone can spend so much money on an accessory.

http://i.imgur.com/EK7qc.png

Flushing Roots
10-18-12, 01:12 PM
Carmelo loves flaunting his wealth on Instagram. There's nothing wrong with it, but I found it kinda amusing. He's doing this thing where he posts a pic of his "watch of the day." It's pretty staggering someone can spend so much money on an accessory.

http://i.imgur.com/EK7qc.png Eff him!

RYMASTER or Ryan_Yankees
10-18-12, 03:26 PM
Carmelo loves flaunting his wealth on Instagram. There's nothing wrong with it, but I found it kinda amusing. He's doing this thing where he posts a pic of his "watch of the day." It's pretty staggering someone can spend so much money on an accessory.

http://i.imgur.com/EK7qc.png

I don't blame him for spending money he's earned on a watch...but if I'm spending that much money on a watch, I'd like to be able to easily read it.

SLURPEE
10-19-12, 02:13 PM
Does it do anything different that my $40 watch does?


Anyway, is there a more overrated team than the Nets? Holy ****. Are they being hyped.

Jax Teller
10-19-12, 02:17 PM
Carmelo loves flaunting his wealth on Instagram. There's nothing wrong with it, but I found it kinda amusing. He's doing this thing where he posts a pic of his "watch of the day." It's pretty staggering someone can spend so much money on an accessory.

http://i.imgur.com/EK7qc.png

Not that I'm ever going to come into such wealth but if I did, I can't picture myself ever spending $250K on a watch let alone one that ugly.

Snatch Catch
10-19-12, 02:27 PM
Does it do anything different that my $40 watch does?


Anyway, is there a more overrated team than the Nets? Holy ****. Are they being hyped.


I've been begging, begging, BEGGING for a Knicks/Nets prop bet to wager on. Especially with most media types not only having them in the same tier, but the Nets actually ahead of the Knicks.

SLURPEE
10-19-12, 04:26 PM
People acting like they added Lebron. They traded for Joe Johnson. Joe Johnson. Let me repeat that.........Joe Johnson.
Good offensive player but not Lebron......

Flushing Roots
10-20-12, 05:49 AM
I've been begging, begging, BEGGING for a Knicks/Nets prop bet to wager on. Especially with most media types not only having them in the same tier, but the Nets actually ahead of the Knicks.FWIW, Vegas odds on winning the 2013 NBA Championship: Knicks 40-1; Nets 50-1:eek::eek::eek::eek:

grizy
10-20-12, 06:20 PM
TAG Heuer's Aquaracer and Victorinox's Infantry lines are my favorites.

Versatile, reasonably priced and respected enough to not look out of place even in boardrooms.

Snatch Catch
10-20-12, 09:15 PM
Prigioni just looks like a better and better pickup each time I see him. I'm not exaggerating one bit when I say that there's a chance that he's the best backup PG in the NBA. He's so savvy, and just racks up crazy assist totals in limited minutes almost every time I watch him play.

Jace
10-20-12, 10:10 PM
Why is it being water resistant to 100 meters relevant? I'm not sure how many humans go 300+ feet underwater without a submarine, but the percentage of those that wear $250k watches while doing so may be low

Carmelo's not 250k watch per day rich

Vin
10-20-12, 10:48 PM
Carmelo loves flaunting his wealth on Instagram. There's nothing wrong with it, but I found it kinda amusing. He's doing this thing where he posts a pic of his "watch of the day." It's pretty staggering someone can spend so much money on an accessory.

http://i.imgur.com/EK7qc.png

Minute repeaters are considered the single most complicated function that a watch can have.

And this is where Citizen gets my huge respect. They made a minute repeater which is an extremely difficult process, mass manufactured it, and powers it not by a battery or movement but with sunlight. You can buy it online for $200+ shipping. $500 retail (probably less).

He overpaid big time. Buy a car or a really nice vacation instead.

just-blaze
10-21-12, 12:04 AM
Prigioni just looks like a better and better pickup each time I see him. I'm not exaggerating one bit when I say that there's a chance that he's the best backup PG in the NBA. He's so savvy, and just racks up crazy assist totals in limited minutes almost every time I watch him play.

I was hoping to see him in the first game against the US in the olympics but he was injured. Pretty talent laden team and he was supposed to be the starting point guard for that team.

grizy
10-21-12, 01:49 AM
The Citizen repeater isn't a mechanical repeater at all. It's a quartz component (powered by the solar battery) far far cheaper and easier to mass produce.

A true mechanical minute repeater is far more difficult to produce. High end ones are more about celebrating watch making as an art than serving a practical function. If you want accuracy, G-Shocks use atomic clocks.

SLURPEE
10-21-12, 03:24 PM
Amar'e is out 2-3 weeks with a cyst. 21336

Well, there are the Knicks we all know and love.

grizy
10-21-12, 04:37 PM
Blessing in disguise. Melo has been better in the paint anyway. Gives him more space to score with.

SLURPEE
10-21-12, 04:44 PM
I still don't understand why Amar'e can't come off the bench. Let him play with the second unit. That way he and Melo aren't in each others way.

Must be a money/ego thing. Which is ashame. Those things should not get in the way of what's best for the team.

SLURPEE
10-23-12, 01:05 PM
No one else concerned about the offense with no Amar'e? It was just the pre-season but the offense(starters) were awful.
Tyson won't give you much, same with Brewer, Felton can't shoot. Teams will just double Melo.

Color me concerned.

bcom33
10-23-12, 01:23 PM
No one else concerned about the offense with no Amar'e? It was just the pre-season but the offense(starters) were awful.
Tyson won't give you much, same with Brewer, Felton can't shoot. Teams will just double Melo.

Color me concerned.

I mean. We're not a good team. We're not going to win with Melo and Amar'e. It's a matter of waiting until we can get rid of their contracts and bring in some young new talent that hasn't graduated from high school yet, likely.

We cleared everything for LeBron. And he didn't sign with us. Therefore we lose.

SLURPEE
10-23-12, 01:53 PM
21338

grizy
10-23-12, 01:57 PM
I don't think Amare contributed much on offense at all. Melo and Chandler do all of Amare's jobs on the offensive side better than Amare.

bcom33
10-23-12, 04:08 PM
21338

So I had a bad morning, lol. Haha.

NYJets37
10-23-12, 04:32 PM
I don't think Amare contributed much on offense at all. Melo and Chandler do all of Amare's jobs on the offensive side better than Amare.


Exactly what does Chandler do better than Amare on offense?

grizy
10-23-12, 05:03 PM
Exactly what does Chandler do better than Amare on offense?

pick and roll and rebound

Amare sets useless screens and has never been that good at ORBs (for a PF/C guy anyway).

Snatch Catch
10-24-12, 09:31 PM
Prigioni just looks like a better and better pickup each time I see him. I'm not exaggerating one bit when I say that there's a chance that he's the best backup PG in the NBA. He's so savvy, and just racks up crazy assist totals in limited minutes almost every time I watch him play.

Quoting myself because, umm, yeah.

SLURPEE
10-24-12, 09:33 PM
Knicks second unit:

Camby
Copeland
Novak
Smith
Kidd/Prigioni

:cool:

Snatch Catch
10-24-12, 09:43 PM
All that hoopla about Rubio's playmaking brilliance last year? Prigioni has the same exact skill. He can't score a lick, but my goodness does he orchestrate out there. Crazy vision/cleverness. Off the charts.

SLURPEE
10-24-12, 10:43 PM
If Tyson is really hurt........:-po'd-:.....they won't being going very far.

JfromJersey
10-25-12, 12:35 PM
The Knicks aren't only one of the oldest teams in the NBA, they're also one of the most injury prone.

RYMASTER or Ryan_Yankees
10-25-12, 12:39 PM
Just saw the highlights of last night's game, and the only thing I can think of is...it looks like the Coliseum is still using the same basketball court they had when the New York Nets played there.

GordonGecko
10-25-12, 04:02 PM
any word on Tyson? I hope it's nothing serious like a @#$#$@! ACL injury

Snatch Catch
10-25-12, 04:09 PM
any word on Tyson? I hope it's nothing serious like a @#$#$@! ACL injury

I think it's a bruise at worst, and it takes 2-3 weeks to heal.

I don't think there's a chance at an ACL (didn't look like that kind of injury), but what do I know.

EDIT: Oh sh*t, a cracked kneecap would be pretty bad, though.

Snatch Catch
10-25-12, 04:14 PM
I just looked around, and it is indeed a bone bruise. They have NOT ruled him out for the opener at this point.

bcom33
10-25-12, 04:27 PM
I just looked around, and it is indeed a bone bruise. They have NOT ruled him out for the opener at this point.

That's a huge relief.

Yankees1962
10-30-12, 10:20 AM
God, I'm glad I cancel my NBA Pass subscription to DirecTV. Amare will keep this team from doing anything seriously in regard to a playoff run.

eaganmafia
10-30-12, 10:34 PM
http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/knicksblog/stoudemire_likely_out_weeks_report_2wa5GFd2nfgbD9hiiGgSxL

Amare out for 2 months...maybe every team who stayed away from him cause of his jacked up knees were onto something.

SLURPEE
10-30-12, 11:18 PM
They're better without Amar'e anyway. Just doesn't fit here.

The real problem is they're paying him to be a max player and he's FAR from it. If the Knicks had a legit max player in his place, they would be title contenders.

There's no way to get rid of that contract.

Mr. Mxylsplk
10-31-12, 10:16 AM
I'm interested to see the crowd at the opener in brooklyn tomorrow. Assuming train service is still out, I'm curious how many people will be able to make it.


Edit - I guess I wasn't the only one thinking about the difficulty of people getting there. After saying the game would go on, it is now reportedly cancelled. A shame, but obviously very difficult circumstances.

SLURPEE
11-02-12, 09:27 PM
So far, so good.

Yankees1962
11-02-12, 10:20 PM
Is Miami really trying, I hope so for the integrity of the game.

SLURPEE
11-02-12, 10:26 PM
^ Yes. Like Clyde said, they might have came in over confident.

I don't expect Miami to play great every game. Teams like that pace themselves. It's a long season.
Their defense was also bad against the Celtics.

GimeMoMuny
11-02-12, 10:41 PM
There really is no need for Amare. Melo dominates at the 4.

SLURPEE
11-03-12, 09:45 AM
I think the Knicks win 52 games if they stay healthy.

grizy
11-03-12, 10:33 AM
There really is no need for Amare. Melo dominates at the 4.

This. Amare is basically melos backup

bcom33
11-03-12, 09:32 PM
So actually seeing the guys out in the floor, you get a sense that we're actually pretty deep with talented players this year. I am shocked how well we played. Completely shocked, but it sounds like Miami didn't really have their hearts in the game.

Having said that, we still don't have Amar'e back, or Shump, or Camby...

When everyone is back, there should be absolutely no excuse for anyone not playing at 110% because we have such a deep bench of guys to go to.

SLURPEE
11-04-12, 01:07 PM
Knicks are beasting. ha ha

hongchihkuo
11-04-12, 06:50 PM
This. Amare is basically melos backup

Rasheed Wallace is old and coming back from retirement, yet he still has a better post-up game than Stoudemire.

Snatch Catch
11-04-12, 07:01 PM
Enjoying this, but not surprised. This type of effort/style has been the obvious focus of the team since Woodson took over at the end of last season, and was especially blatant in the moves they made this offseason. The Lin decision was born of Dolan's jackassery, but you got the sense that while Woodson supported him publicly, he wasn't 100% behind him as a ready-to-start-and-lead PG. You can see why in the product that he's preaching: defense, team defense, help defense, old-school play from the PG position, aggressive defense, physical defense, and defense.

I hope it continues, because not only fun to watch, but seeing the intense effort in playing true, team defense makes me nostalgic. Either way, what a fun couple of days in the midst of a truly terrible time for this region.

SLURPEE
11-04-12, 07:55 PM
The Knick detractors are annoying.

It's like they're surprised or something. If you actually paid attention to the Knicks off-season, you would know they will be a good defensive team.

But hey, the Nets are better. :P

grizy
11-05-12, 08:04 PM
Melo+Chandler has to be one of the toughest offensive combos in the paint.

Melo is still ridiculous in iso... but now he kicks the ball out when he can't score.

Amazing.

Snatch Catch
11-05-12, 08:06 PM
JR Smith is one of the most fierce rebounding 2-gaurds I can remember seeing in recent years. That guy goes up so high and so recklessly (in a good way) against the PFs and Cs of the other team, and routinely pulls down the board.

grizy
11-05-12, 08:09 PM
JR Smith has always been an athletic specimen

If Woodson has gotten Smith to commit to defense, JR Smith's gonna be amazing.

bcom33
11-05-12, 08:58 PM
THIS TEAM IS BLOWING MY FREAKING MIND RIGHT NOW. Wow.

SLURPEE
11-05-12, 08:58 PM
They're just kicking ass.

Yankees1962
11-05-12, 09:23 PM
JR Smith has always been an athletic specimen

If Woodson has gotten Smith to commit to defense, JR Smith's gonna be amazing.
He played good defense last year for the Knicks.

SLURPEE
11-05-12, 09:37 PM
Brewer with a double-double. :eek:

GordonGecko
11-05-12, 09:53 PM
hey seems like the Knicks are for real, for once. Gonna be a good season!

Mr.Muhozi
11-05-12, 10:32 PM
Must not get excited

SLURPEE
11-09-12, 12:53 PM
Some dude in Detroit is hurt the Knicks are good....

Dan Feldman
Quote: The Knicks have played excellent basketball so far, which is entertaining enough. But looking at this ridiculous roster, it will be even more entertaining when a larger sample exposes the Knicks for what they are: a mediocre playoff team.

GordonGecko
11-09-12, 05:31 PM
Some dude in Detroit is hurt the Knicks are good....

Dan Feldman
Quote: The Knicks have played excellent basketball so far, which is entertaining enough. But looking at this ridiculous roster, it will be even more entertaining when a larger sample exposes the Knicks for what they are: a mediocre playoff team.

There is massive hate and resentment towards the Knicks around the league. It's embarrassing how bitter and so blatantly unobjective they are about the team. A 1 or 2 finish and deep championship run would be very very satisfying

SLURPEE
11-09-12, 06:14 PM
It's worst then the Yankees. imo.

At least people acknowledge the Yankees are good.

Yankees1962
11-09-12, 06:56 PM
It's worst then the Yankees. imo.

At least people acknowledge the Yankees are good.
As long as the Knicks stay healthy with their old roster they should be good, but their age is what people are questioning in regard to an 82 game season plus playoffs.

Yankees1962
11-09-12, 06:57 PM
There is massive hate and resentment towards the Knicks around the league. It's embarrassing how bitter and so blatantly unobjective they are about the team. A 1 or 2 finish and deep championship run would be very very satisfying
Why is there massive hate and resentment? What has the Knicks done in 40 years to deserve such emotional responses?

Jax Teller
11-09-12, 08:19 PM
Novak is throwing up slop so far

Snatch Catch
11-09-12, 08:47 PM
Why is there massive hate and resentment? What has the Knicks done in 40 years to deserve such emotional responses?

Be from NYC. That's all it takes.

Snatch Catch
11-09-12, 08:51 PM
Novak is throwing up slop so far

A nice test here: this is a clear and obvious example of a very good defensive team having a subpar first half (specifically contesting the three, and a little crashing the boards) and needing to make adjustments in the 2nd half.

An upper level team comes out in the second half with the necessary tweaks and looks more like "itself". It will be interesting to see if Woodson can get these Knicks to make those intragame adjustments this early in their time together.

SLURPEE
11-09-12, 08:59 PM
Dallas is really hot but the Knicks need to do a better job on the perimeter.

Also, where is the ball movement?

Jax Teller
11-09-12, 09:10 PM
Kidd with the thievery

Snatch Catch
11-09-12, 09:50 PM
Holy crap, an absolutely thunderous putback/and1 by Chandler to get everyone all fired up.

SLURPEE
11-09-12, 10:18 PM
4-0.:clapping:

Snatch Catch
11-09-12, 10:31 PM
37 points in the second half. Nice to see them show some adjustments out of the half.

SLURPEE
11-09-12, 11:08 PM
Bill Simmons ‏@sportsguy33
Just curious - how many Knicks fans would trade Carmelo for Gallinari, Chandler and Mosgov right now?

I thought fans being upset with that trade was ridiculous at the time.
Gallinari was never going to be Carmelo Anthony.

bcom33
11-09-12, 11:25 PM
Bill Simmons ‏@sportsguy33
Just curious - how many Knicks fans would trade Carmelo for Gallinari, Chandler and Mosgov right now?

I thought fans being upset with that trade was ridiculous at the time.
Gallinari was never going to be Carmelo Anthony.

You mean would I rather have Raymond Felton (seems to be pretty good doesn't he?), Gallinari, Chandler, Mosgov, and a 1st round pick next year instead of getting Carmelo last year which didn't lead to anything but a first round exit?

Absolutely. I think we would've made quicker strides as a team without him.

Jace
11-09-12, 11:39 PM
You mean would I rather have Raymond Felton (seems to be pretty good doesn't he?), Gallinari, Chandler, Mosgov, and a 1st round pick next year instead of getting Carmelo last year which didn't lead to anything but a first round exit?

Absolutely. I think we would've made quicker strides as a team without him.

I doubt it (the quicker strides). We'd have good role players surrounding a decaying Amare. 2 years ago maybe we play the Celtics close to even in the first round instead of getting shut out. Things wouldn't have been notably different last year or the year before, and we wouldn't have at least a chance of being a really good team this year

The trade was made for some of the wrong reasons, but it looks positive on the whole even now when we haven't won anything, and theres a chance for a lot more

Yankees1962
11-10-12, 07:56 AM
Be from NYC. That's all it takes.
Then how come all the love for the Nets which are now in Brooklyn?

Yankees1962
11-10-12, 08:01 AM
You mean would I rather have Raymond Felton (seems to be pretty good doesn't he?), Gallinari, Chandler, Mosgov, and a 1st round pick next year instead of getting Carmelo last year which didn't lead to anything but a first round exit?

Absolutely. I think we would've made quicker strides as a team without him.
But, would they be better than they are now? This team has talent with a loaded roster, it's their age and prone to injuries that they got to avoid to advance further in the playoffs. Also, this roster of veteran players knows how to deal with adversity with a much higher basketball IQ.

GimeMoMuny
11-10-12, 11:04 AM
I slept a bit on the Brewer acquisition. His baseline game is fun to watch. He's a great fit.

SLURPEE
11-10-12, 11:27 AM
Then how come all the love for the Nets which are now in Brooklyn?

Good question...

Fabien Brandy
11-10-12, 01:09 PM
I think this success will take away any grounds for Amare complaining when he gets back, like Lin's success last year took Carmelo's leverage.

The team right now is very likeable, which makes the Kidd DWI and Lin debacle seem like a long time ago.

grizy
11-10-12, 01:18 PM
Felton playing like a man on a mission.

I like it.

'Melo finally using all the tools in his box is huge too.

Woodson getting both Melo and JR to realize their full potential is just amazing. Just goes to show how much of a difference coaching can make in the NBA.

Snatch Catch
11-10-12, 02:27 PM
Then how come all the love for the Nets which are now in Brooklyn?

Because they're refreshing and new, but also because they offer the obvious chance to belittle the established "hated" team, the Knicks.

Much of the Nets' media love is a direct result of their irrational disdain for the Knicks. By fawning over the Nets and how great everything is about them, they are simultaneously taking shots at MSG without having to say anything.

Of course Dolan deserves a lot of it, but a rational observation of both the roster moves made this offseason and the actual results garnered from Woodson and the style he implemented through the end of last season should have led any basketball writer/mediot worth his salt to the obvious conclusion that the Knicks had a clear identity, direction, and focus that showed a great chance at significant improvement this year.

Instead, they fell all over themselves to compliment the allegedly amazing roster overhaul the Nets made despite it being nothing more than overpaying flawed role players, taking on a 31 year old max guy whose team literally gave him away, and assembling a hodge podge of unproven rookies/euros/niche guys on the bench, all while ignoring the blaring fact that the team had no identity whatsoever. Is it a better roster than last season? Sure. But it would be tough to take on established veterans and be worse than what the Nets had last year.

And what was the primary theme of this flattery presented by the media more often than not? "The Nets are contenders in the Atlantic"? "Brooklyn is a force this year"? No.

"The Nets are now the best team in New York!"

By drooling over the Nets and overselling their moves, the media gets a chance to take a very thinly veiled jab at the Knicks without even mentioning their name directly.

Yankees1962
11-10-12, 04:15 PM
Because they're refreshing and new, but also because they offer the obvious chance to belittle the established "hated" team, the Knicks.

Much of the Nets' media love is a direct result of their irrational disdain for the Knicks. By fawning over the Nets and how great everything is about them, they are simultaneously taking shots at MSG without having to say anything.

Of course Dolan deserves a lot of it, but a rational observation of both the roster moves made this offseason and the actual results garnered from Woodson and the style he implemented through the end of last season should have led any basketball writer/mediot worth his salt to the obvious conclusion that the Knicks had a clear identity, direction, and focus that showed a great chance at significant improvement this year.

Instead, they fell all over themselves to compliment the allegedly amazing roster overhaul the Nets made despite it being nothing more than overpaying flawed role players, taking on a 31 year old max guy whose team literally gave him away, and assembling a hodge podge of unproven rookies/euros/niche guys on the bench, all while ignoring the blaring fact that the team had no identity whatsoever. Is it a better roster than last season? Sure. But it would be tough to take on established veterans and be worse than what the Nets had last year.

And what was the primary theme of this flattery presented by the media more often than not? "The Nets are contenders in the Atlantic"? "Brooklyn is a force this year"? No.

"The Nets are now the best team in New York!"

By drooling over the Nets and overselling their moves, the media gets a chance to take a very thinly veiled jab at the Knicks without even mentioning their name directly.
I don't know Snatch???? I understand your point about the Dolan hatred because frankly, much of the entire Knick fanbase feels the same way about Dolan. With that said, the anti-New York slant is not resonating with me in regard to the Knicks. I can see it with the Yankees because of their proud achievement history, George and simple envy. However, the Knicks have been a failure for 40 years and even with Ewing, they still never won another NBA title in that time. Barkley's bias against the Knicks goes back to his playing days, but I don't quite understand why the rest of the NBA MSM mediots would have it in for the Knicks. I would think the Knicks being a factor in the NBA is good for the media as well as the sport.

GordonGecko
11-10-12, 04:44 PM
I don't know Snatch???? I understand your point about the Dolan hatred because frankly, much of the entire Knick fanbase feels the same way about Dolan. With that said, the anti-New York slant is not resonating with me in regard to the Knicks. I can see it with the Yankees because of their proud achievement history, George and simple envy. However, the Knicks have been a failure for 40 years and even with Ewing, they still never won another NBA title in that time. Barkley's bias against the Knicks goes back to his playing days, but I don't quite understand why the rest of the NBA MSM mediots would have it in for the Knicks. I would think the Knicks being a factor in the NBA is good for the media as well as the sport.


Rangers get similar treatment btw

Yankees1962
11-10-12, 04:52 PM
Rangers get similar treatment btw
I wouldn't know, I don't follow hockey.

Yankees1962
11-10-12, 04:53 PM
I guess everybody hates New York then including their sports teams that haven't won a championship in almost four decades.

Snatch Catch
11-10-12, 06:02 PM
I would think the Knicks being a factor in the NBA is good for the media as well as the sport.

But that's the point - they ARE a factor right now - and they were last year, too. They don't have to be praised to be a factor if you think about it, they just have to be talked about.

For the record, I don't think that this is simply about hating NYC in the sense that the Knicks did nothing wrong. I just think that being from the largest media market in the country means that the spotlight is greatest. It also means that, especially in today's hyper-critical, over-analysis based media, they're a great target to generate reaction.

The Knicks were the joke of the NBA for a decade, and that was "fun" for the media because the Knick fans remained numerous and passionate. Some teams being down takes them out of the media conversation, but not a few cities in the Northeast Corridor megalopolis, and especially not NYC.

Its kind of like the Notre Dame thing, in a way. People love to crap all over them even when they do some objectively positive, high-end things. It's going to take them longer than most other teams to get the universal, true praise that a team that is not constantly in focus would receive in much shorter order, for the same results - minus the natural disdain some people have for NYC, inherently.

Yankees1962
11-10-12, 11:12 PM
But that's the point - they ARE a factor right now - and they were last year, too. They don't have to be praised to be a factor if you think about it, they just have to be talked about.

For the record, I don't think that this is simply about hating NYC in the sense that the Knicks did nothing wrong. I just think that being from the largest media market in the country means that the spotlight is greatest. It also means that, especially in today's hyper-critical, over-analysis based media, they're a great target to generate reaction.

The Knicks were the joke of the NBA for a decade, and that was "fun" for the media because the Knick fans remained numerous and passionate. Some teams being down takes them out of the media conversation, but not a few cities in the Northeast Corridor megalopolis, and especially not NYC.

Its kind of like the Notre Dame thing, in a way. People love to crap all over them even when they do some objectively positive, high-end things. It's going to take them longer than most other teams to get the universal, true praise that a team that is not constantly in focus would receive in much shorter order, for the same results - minus the natural disdain some people have for NYC, inherently.
However, they're being talked about, but just not in the positive tone you and other Knick fans want to see from the mediots. As a Knick fan myself, I don't pay much attention to those guys because I don't fine them very insightful.

SLURPEE
11-11-12, 12:21 PM
Rangers get similar treatment btw

No they don't.

Snatch Catch
11-11-12, 01:19 PM
However, they're being talked about, but just not in the positive tone you and other Knick fans want to see from the mediots. As a Knick fan myself, I don't pay much attention to those guys because I don't fine them very insightful.

It's beyond that to me, personally; it's about what's right and wrong. It reminds me a little of when, on this site, people think what they're saying should be heard and respected because of the "respect everyone's opinion" rule.

Some things in life are black or white, right or wrong. Sometimes it isn't a matter of a person believes is incorrect, sometimes it's just unquestionably incorrect; flat out wrong.

In this case, the way the Knicks have began the season is inarguably positive. One could speculate that age may catch up to them, or that they likely won't shoot the 3 at as good a clip, but those are secondary or tertiary points right now - it is just flat out wrong to discredit their overall play/performance at this point. They have been exceptional on both ends of the floor to anyone paying attention, putting up impressive numbers, but also playing with amazing unity and heart.

Who knows if it will last, but the idea that what they've done has been unimpressive, or that the negatives are worth talking about over the positives, has no logical merit - it is flat out wrong, rather than something that I personally take umbrage with due to an opinion.

That's the difference with this specific situation to me. They're obviously moving the goalposts, or just playing on a different sporting field entirely when it comes to the Knicks. And while it doesn't have an impact on my enjoyment of watching them play so far, it's just wrong, and that's annoying.

grizy
11-11-12, 01:23 PM
I still think Dolan's imbecile but the team is amazing right now.

I am hoping Amare stays on the bench for as long as possible. Even after he comes back, his primary role really should be backup to Melo.

Snatch Catch
11-11-12, 01:41 PM
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/egos_no_go_8q8vQMwDceUA5EJnxcPsAJ

SHOTS FIRED! :lol:


Though Thomas took his demotion with grace, Woodson fired a warning shot yesterday, perhaps trying to nip things in the bud before Stoudemire’s return.

“My first speech when we finally had our team dinner before our camp, I told everybody they have to leave their egos at the door,’’ Woodson said. “If we’re talking about trying to win a title and winning at a high level, winning our division and hosting the first round at home, you got to leave your egos at the door.

“I’m not going to deal with guys with bad egos. If there’s a problem, they got to go. It’s been great so far and will continue to be great because the guys we have are true pros.”



“I don’t owe anybody minutes,’’ Woodson said. “I’m trying to win games. It’s all about winning.’’

Yankees1962
11-11-12, 01:47 PM
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/egos_no_go_8q8vQMwDceUA5EJnxcPsAJ

SHOTS FIRED! :lol:
That's what we need to hear and for the players to accept.

Yankees1962
11-11-12, 01:50 PM
It's beyond that to me, personally; it's about what's right and wrong. It reminds me a little of when, on this site, people think what they're saying should be heard and respected because of the "respect everyone's opinion" rule.

Some things in life are black or white, right or wrong. Sometimes it isn't a matter of a person believes is incorrect, sometimes it's just unquestionably incorrect; flat out wrong.

In this case, the way the Knicks have began the season is inarguably positive. One could speculate that age may catch up to them, or that they likely won't shoot the 3 at as good a clip, but those are secondary or tertiary points right now - it is just flat out wrong to discredit their overall play/performance at this point. They have been exceptional on both ends of the floor to anyone paying attention, putting up impressive numbers, but also playing with amazing unity and heart.

Who knows if it will last, but the idea that what they've done has been unimpressive, or that the negatives are worth talking about over the positives, has no logical merit - it is flat out wrong, rather than something that I personally take umbrage with due to an opinion.

That's the difference with this specific situation to me. They're obviously moving the goalposts, or just playing on a different sporting field entirely when it comes to the Knicks. And while it doesn't have an impact on my enjoyment of watching them play so far, it's just wrong, and that's annoying.
Which of these mediots are you talking about in this regard? I don't watch or listen to ESPN very often so maybe, I'm missing what you're talking about.

GordonGecko
11-11-12, 03:59 PM
No they don't.

of course they do, all you had to do was read some of the articles from around the league when they were making their playoff push. Absolutely no respect.

Snatch Catch
11-12-12, 12:23 PM
A major media outlet offers the most accurate and fair write-up of the Knicks I've seen so far (putting them #1 in the power rankings is obviously still debatable, I'm just talking about the analysis), despite it being just a couple of sentences:

http://www.nba.com/2012/news/powerrankings/11/12/week2/index.html?ls=nbahpfull1

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Pace: 93.5 (25), OffRtg: 112.2 (1), DefRtg: 93.2 (2)
The Knicks' perimeter shooting cooled off on Friday, and they still won (http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2012/11/10/knicks-grind-their-way-to-4-0/). So there are no asterisks next to their 4-0 start. But they will have their toughest challenge to date with a back-to-back in San Antonio and Memphis on Thursday and Friday this week. Ronnie Brewer was already a bargain at the minimum, but if he can continue to hit corner threes (he's 6-for-10 so far), that's huge. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Jace
11-12-12, 01:45 PM
Power rankings are pretty silly. Nobody can ever decide whether they are supposed to measure the best team or just who played the best last week or 2. It usually seems to lean towards recent play (especially early in the season)... Miami isn't the 5th best team in the league, that just us a silly idea

Maybe its just the compressed schedule from last year making me think this, but is only 1 game in a calendar week a weird scheduling quirk? I dont remember this empty a period happening before

THEBOSS84
11-12-12, 02:03 PM
Maybe its just the compressed schedule from last year making me think this, but is only 1 game in a calendar week a weird scheduling quirk? I dont remember this empty a period happening before

On the flip-side, Boston plays 5 times this week.

THEBOSS84
11-12-12, 02:04 PM
Friday night was the first game all season I was able to watch. When they were missing all those free throws, I expected it to come back and bite them, but maybe things are a little different this year.

SLURPEE
11-12-12, 05:03 PM
The Magic are the the first bad team they'll be facing.

GordonGecko
11-12-12, 05:46 PM
I can't believe the Lakers hired Antoni. Dude is going to clean up, he's already taking about 6 million from the knicks for this year on top of whatever LA is going to pay him. But poor Mike, he has no idea what to do when the playoffs come around

SLURPEE
11-12-12, 07:30 PM
NBA TV had some dude from Chicago to talk about the Knicks. lol. I swear, it's as if he hadn't watch ONE game.
Bunch of nonsense.

Yankees1962
11-13-12, 09:08 AM
I can't believe the Lakers hired Antoni. Dude is going to clean up, he's already taking about 6 million from the knicks for this year on top of whatever LA is going to pay him. But poor Mike, he has no idea what to do when the playoffs come around
Most sports leagues don't allow a fired coach to get full salary from his former and current team in the same season. By the Lakers hiring, I think the Knicks obligation to him is reduced or even eliminated.

GordonGecko
11-13-12, 09:22 AM
Most sports leagues don't allow a fired coach to get full salary from his former and current team in the same season. By the Lakers hiring, I think the Knicks obligation to him is reduced or even eliminated.

Really? I wasn't aware of that, I thought it was like with players. Jason Bay for example got released and will be paid the remainder of his salary over several years. But he's free to double up and play for any other team for whatever they want to pay him

Yankees1962
11-13-12, 10:29 AM
Really? I wasn't aware of that, I thought it was like with players. Jason Bay for example got released and will be paid the remainder of his salary over several years. But he's free to double up and play for any other team for whatever they want to pay him
Unlike the players, the coaches don't have a union and thus work directly for the owners and are part of their team management structure. No way, would owners of any sports league want their coaches double-dipping after being fired by one club and then hired by another ballclub and collecting full salaries from both teams.

THEBOSS84
11-13-12, 02:46 PM
Unlike the players, the coaches don't have a union and thus work directly for the owners and are part of their team management structure. No way, would owners of any sports league want their coaches double-dipping after being fired by one club and then hired by another ballclub and collecting full salaries from both teams.

They wouldn't want that, but technically it's their fault for firing the coach in the middle of a guaranteed contract.

GordonGecko
11-13-12, 03:24 PM
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SLURPEE
11-13-12, 07:55 PM
So far the intensity isn't there. I think their looking ahead a bit...

Jace
11-13-12, 08:20 PM
Yeah that was some impressively bad defense. I saw that non-goaltending call from far away, so i dont know how that could possibly be explained, but even worse was carmelo pouting on the next offensive play allowing Orlando an easy layup with only a few seconds left

SLURPEE
11-13-12, 08:23 PM
What's with Melo talking this year? He never got T's before.

GordonGecko
11-13-12, 08:30 PM
these refs suck big donkey balls

Snatch Catch
11-13-12, 08:42 PM
What's with Melo talking this year? He never got T's before.

Not sure if serious...

Carmelo has been at least top-6 in technical fouls each year for the last decade.

Jace
11-13-12, 08:53 PM
yeah the knicks cant only have 9 free throws and have that many attempts around the basket (possessions like that one), the refs have been fairly poor

Jace
11-13-12, 08:58 PM
what is rasheed going to shoot on 3's, 20%? 25? those are wasted possessions

SLURPEE
11-13-12, 08:58 PM
No ball movement at all.

GordonGecko
11-13-12, 09:18 PM
We have ourselves a team that wins even on nights where they don't have their A-game :)

Jace
11-13-12, 09:21 PM
Have to give it to Smith, he's just been awesome. No qualifiers. Much better shot selection, and pretty active on D too

Really would have liked to see Camby on a night where we had bad interior D, but i dont know whats up with him health/conditioning wise

Snatch Catch
11-14-12, 10:54 AM
I'm waiting until at least the first loss or two to really think about them in a messageboard sense.

For now I'm just enjoying the wins, but more importantly the style/determination.

Snatch Catch
11-14-12, 10:16 PM
Watching the Griz tonight against OKC, and I would be very happy if it's a single digit game on Friday, considering it's in Memphis and is the second game of a back to back following San Antonio.

Memphis looks GOOD.

SLURPEE
11-15-12, 10:13 AM
I think they win tonight. Lose tomorrow.

GordonGecko
11-15-12, 01:57 PM
The Knicks lead the league in fewest turnovers per game. Woodson has installed a turnover contest within the team. Any time the club commits fewer than 13, the coaches have to run laps. He did it his final two seasons with Atlanta, with assistant Jim Todd coming up with the brainstorm. The Knicks have committed less than 13 turnovers in four of the five games. The one game they didn't the total was just one over - 14.
“We ended up leading the league in not turning the ball (over) that one season (in Atlanta),’’ Woodson said. “The coaches did a lot of running.’’

http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/knicksblog/knicks_coach_woodson_proving_atlanta_Y6xBhfzqbK5F2SXMLVFkHJ

Snatch Catch
11-15-12, 09:07 PM
Knicks up 35-33 here in the 2nd, but the refs are letting the Spurs play an unusually physical level of defense.

Snatch Catch
11-15-12, 09:22 PM
JR Smith, from the blocked shot he had in the paint earlier, to the and1 he just made...my goodness is he continuing to play impressively.

SLURPEE
11-15-12, 09:29 PM
Do NBA officials hate the Knicks? Why is it, Melo got calls in Denver and close to nothing in a Knick uniform?
That just smells fishy to me.

SLURPEE
11-15-12, 10:29 PM
Chandler's defense this year has been bad.

GordonGecko
11-15-12, 10:38 PM
Knicks showing some serious grit

grizy
11-15-12, 10:44 PM
Most beautiful minute of basketball I've seen all year. Steal, great offensive sequence with JR 3 pointer... 24 second!

Then Kidd putting game on ice with another 3!

SLURPEE
11-15-12, 10:44 PM
Speechless!!

GordonGecko
11-15-12, 10:49 PM
I don't believe what I just saw....

YEAH BABY GO KNICKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SLURPEE
11-15-12, 10:53 PM
b-e-l-i-e-v-e

awy
11-16-12, 02:17 PM
go knicks. :D

Snatch Catch
11-16-12, 02:37 PM
Last night's win absorbed a lot of the snarky hating in the media.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/5-on-5-121116/best-nba-teams-players-far


1. So far, the East's best team has been _______________.


Jim Cavan, KnickerBlogger (http://knickerblogger.net/): AAHHHH! Sorry, I've been screaming for 12 consecutive hours. It's the Knicks. The caveat is that there's a huge difference between "is" and "has been." It's difficult to conjure a non-injury scenario where the Heat don't bulldoze their way out of even a marginally improved East, but Melo, Earl & Co. could prove quite the impediment come spring.

Danny Chau, Hardwood Paroxysm (http://www.hardwoodparoxysm.com/): The Knicks, by virtue of being the only undefeated team standing. The team is playing inspired basketball, and in their first truly close game Thursday night against the Spurs, the Knicks found a way to win even with an uncharacteristically bad offensive outing from Carmelo Anthony. Also, the Knicks haven't lost a game in the Rasheed Wallace era.

Andrew McNeill, 48 Minutes of Hell (http://www.48minutesofhell.com/): The Knicks. Undefeated with wins over Miami, Philadelphia, Dallas and San Antonio -- it's hard to argue with that start to the season. The ways New York is winning may be unsustainable (at those levels) in the long haul, but it's playing the best basketball in the East.

Noam Schiller, Hardwood Paroxysm (http://www.hardwoodparoxysm.com/): The New York Knicks. We'll see if it holds up when the schedule toughens and the 3s stop falling, but so far, it isn't close. The Knicks have been mauling teams by an average of 13.7 points a night with the league's second-best defense and, shockingly, its best offense. It doesn't get much better than that.

Ethan Sherwood Strauss, HoopSpeak (http://hoopspeak.com/): The Knicks. This team makes functional sense. Tyson Chandler orchestrates the defense. On offense, Carmelo Anthony draws defenders from the 4, carving room for their many shooters. The Knicks are some humming gears, in search of a ruinous wrench. Based on their history, they'll find it.

Michael Wallace, ESPN.com: The Knicks. Jason Kidd and Raymond Felton have provided the leadership and balance that's been missing. Carmelo is showing he can be a two-way player, and the improved defense has sparked the team's best start in 20 years. But what happens when Amar'e Stoudemire returns?

They also vote almost unanimously (one guy took the Clippers) that the Grizz are the best in the West so far.

I'm still hoping that this game tonight is within single digits if the Knicks lose.

GordonGecko
11-16-12, 02:46 PM
We need to get rid of Stat ASAP, cannot take the risk of putting him back on this team. Dolan needs to eat 75% of his salary and get back some scrubs

bcom33
11-16-12, 03:20 PM
We need to get rid of Stat ASAP, cannot take the risk of putting him back on this team. Dolan needs to eat 75% of his salary and get back some scrubs

I am optimistic that he'll be good in a 2nd line while Melo is resting. He should NOT be in the starting lineup with our current health status.

grizy
11-16-12, 10:34 PM
I LOVE how Rasheed is just taking over for Chandler off the bench.

The depth and chemistry of this team is amazing.

Go, Woodson. Coach of the year award incoming. Nobody before him could draw this much out of Melo and JR Smith.

GordonGecko
11-16-12, 10:35 PM
The Knicks are going to wear out Memphis just like they sid with the Spurs last night. Sooner or later they'll run out of gas (probably later aka the 4th qtr). Knicks are deep enough they don't get gassed like their opponents

SLURPEE
11-16-12, 11:15 PM
Why did we sign Camby if he's going to just sit on the bench?

just-blaze
11-16-12, 11:21 PM
We need to stop chirping at the refs. They are looking for things to call on us.

Just about every call going against us.

Phinstripes
11-17-12, 12:33 AM
You know the officiating is bad when the home team's radio crew is harping about it (they were agreeing with the Knicks frustrations).

Jace
11-17-12, 07:09 AM
i stopped watching after the non-goaltending call. If they are so intense about the power of replay on flagrant fouls, they should do it then too

The knicks definitely got frustrated and stopped playing in the 3rd quarter. Thats why nobody really expects to win those games (tired against really good teams on the road)- the other team is outplaying you by a little and the crowd is intense, the refs make a few calls based off the crowd, and then you just stop being calm and play bad/tired and quickly you are just down by 15. Basically everything has to go right for that not to happen

Snatch Catch
11-18-12, 12:16 PM
It's the Joey Crawford Show!

Snatch Catch
11-18-12, 03:34 PM
They just keep coming with guys off the bench.

They also have such a clear identity, which will hurt them in some spots, but also is going to allow them to win much more often than they have in recent history.

How enjoyable has this start been as a fan? My goodness, am I having fun watching this.

Phinstripes
11-20-12, 08:56 PM
Abysmal second quarter.

Snatch Catch
11-20-12, 09:03 PM
Not worried.

Phinstripes
11-20-12, 09:11 PM
Yeah, I don't see the Hornets shooting 50 percent the rest of the game.

SLURPEE
11-20-12, 09:15 PM
They seem to want to coast on defense against bad teams early. Then play great at the end.

GordonGecko
11-20-12, 09:26 PM
This whole officiating issue has to be dealt with. It's obvious the Knicks are getting shafted, but by now they should know it's just gonna be that way and not go getting technicals bitching about it and losing their concentration. It's been several games now where they let biased calls / no-calls by the refs take them off their game. The team and Woodson have to learn play through the BS

grizy
11-20-12, 09:45 PM
Hornets: "We can't let them pass the ball so freely."
'Melo: "lol, thanks for one-on-one"

Snatch Catch
11-20-12, 10:02 PM
Holy crap, how hard is Felton (and JR when he's in there) going to press Lin defensively on Friday?

I just saw the commercial for Friday's game and it hit me that Felton is going to want to Miami him.

Snatch Catch
11-20-12, 10:07 PM
Novak is laughably cold right now.

SLURPEE
11-20-12, 10:22 PM
Novak has been a bit of disappointment thus far.

GordonGecko
11-20-12, 10:23 PM
Novak is laughably cold right now.

That's depth for you, even when a guy is stinking it up there's half a dozen others to pick him up

Snatch Catch
11-21-12, 08:17 AM
Not worried about Novak at all.

I am worried about tonight's game though. I'd be pretty impressed if they won.

Snatch Catch
11-21-12, 08:48 PM
Wow, beautiful passing sequence by the Knicks, where nobody dribbled, but the ball moved around the perimeter and ended with an alley-oop from Melo in the corner 3 position to Tyson.

Snatch Catch
11-21-12, 08:58 PM
OJ Mayo is a freaking force of nature this year.

Phinstripes
11-21-12, 09:16 PM
Ball rotation has been superb (sometimes too much!), just need to tighten up on D and keep them from those o boards.

Snatch Catch
11-21-12, 09:27 PM
Holy monster alley-oop from Felton to Chandler! Looked like he wanted to tear the rim down.

GordonGecko
11-21-12, 09:32 PM
OJ Mayo is a freaking force of nature this year.
dude is FAST

SLURPEE
11-21-12, 10:16 PM
Not interested in defense tonight.

Snatch Catch
11-21-12, 10:26 PM
Yeah, Chandler has been off for most of the year. The interior defense has been disheartening tonight.

SLURPEE
11-21-12, 10:47 PM
Woodson should file a complaint with these refs. Too many suspicious calls against.

Snatch Catch
11-21-12, 10:55 PM
Woodson should file a complaint with these refs. Too many suspicious calls against.

Melo just gets no respect comparatively to other stars in the league. First that ridiculous offensive foul, and now he blatantly gets punched in the face on a drive, with no call.

SLURPEE
11-21-12, 11:03 PM
You know it's a Knick thing because I've seen enough Denver games when he was there and trust me, he got calls there.

I can't be the only one that notices this.

just-blaze
11-21-12, 11:03 PM
What a horrible play call to end the game. Melo gets punched in the face and you want him to go 1 on 1 against Marion? On top of that lets take away any chance of a backup plan.

SLURPEE
11-21-12, 11:11 PM
^ Yeah, it resembled a D'Antoni play. Dribble dribble dribble....then give the ball to Melo in iso.

btw. Novak is atrocious. He gives you nothing if he's not hitting open shots.

dabomb2045
11-21-12, 11:32 PM
Havent posted here in awhile...needed to tonight to vent. The refs absolutely screwed the Knicks out of that game. The bogus offensive foul on Melo where Vince is totally out of position AND not set....then Kaman just elbows Melo in the face on his drive to the basket at 112-111 and no call. Not only should have been that been a foul, it should have been a flagrant because Kaman wasnt making a play on the ball whatsoever...he simply just nails Melo in the face.

Its complete horsesh*t what happens in this league, and its one of the reasons why the Knicks would have zero chance against Miami in a playoff series....Wade and LeBron will get all the calls and Melo will get none.

GordonGecko
11-22-12, 09:47 AM
This has been happening every game, this time it cost them a loss

Snatch Catch
11-23-12, 08:12 PM
Chandler Parsons and Lin due an Asian bow as their pregame handshake.

Snatch Catch
11-23-12, 08:19 PM
Chandler is either injured or has some sort of illness/disease that he isn't telling any about.

Because I refuse to believe he's this lethargic with nothing impairing him.

SLURPEE
11-23-12, 08:31 PM
Why they stop playing defense? You can't win like that. It's like they don't care.

Chandler looks nothing like he did last year defensively.

Snatch Catch
11-23-12, 08:37 PM
Whoa, whatever just happened with Marcus Morris is kind of scary...

grizy
11-23-12, 08:46 PM
Harden's playing PG full time with Lin hovering on the 3 point line now.

Lin better get his 3p% up or he's gonna be useless going forward.

Just not this game.

SLURPEE
11-23-12, 08:49 PM
Woodson must hate Camby or something. Very odd that the Knicks are a poor rebounding/shot blocking team yet he doesn't use the one player that can help with that.

Snatch Catch
11-23-12, 09:05 PM
I have the same fear watching Harden that I have watching Lebron/Wade/Kobe/Dirk.

Not because of his actual basketball skills, but because the refs show him so much respect.

SLURPEE
11-23-12, 09:12 PM
Woodson is starting to lose me.

Snatch Catch
11-23-12, 09:14 PM
Robert Randolph is back, and he's back BIG.

I really feel like Felton, Melo, and Smith are playing for themselves in this game, abandoning the team concept and trying to show up Lin and the Rockets. It's "worked" for Melo so far because he's so god damn good.

Hopefully they get some sense talked into them at the half.

Snatch Catch
11-23-12, 09:15 PM
I have the same fear watching Harden that I have watching Lebron/Wade/Kobe/Dirk.

Not because of his actual basketball skills, but because the refs show him so much respect.

Harden is currently 15-15 from the line.

We're at halftime.

SLURPEE
11-23-12, 09:25 PM
Coaching has been poor lately.

No Camby vs Memphis front line
JR on Vince Carter. Instead of Brewer.
No Brewer on Parsons
No Camby tonight. Instead Melo and Novak at C.

Woodson is acting as if he has zero depth.

dabomb2045
11-23-12, 09:48 PM
I get the refeering is biased one sided against us all the time...but you cant meltdown as a team because of it like we are doing tonight.

Snatch Catch
11-23-12, 09:56 PM
Yeah, I get the frustration, because I'm furious at the last two games, but that's why we're fans. These guys need to be able to handle poor officiating.

Or at the very least handle it much better than they have tonight.

Snatch Catch
11-23-12, 10:02 PM
Toney Douglas with the dagger 3 at the end of the 3rd quarter! :lol:

SLURPEE
11-23-12, 10:04 PM
Woodson has turned into Mike D'Antoni. :scared:

Snatch Catch
11-23-12, 10:09 PM
Seriously, this game really looks like an MDA game. :(

dabomb2045
11-23-12, 10:10 PM
The ship will get righted. Its nice to look up at the record and still see 8-3 after a game like this...and could very well have been 9-2. We have Detroit on Sunday back at home, so I expect to get back in the W column.

SLURPEE
11-23-12, 10:21 PM
They haven't played defense since the Memphis game. I know they held the Pacer & Hornets, but I think it was more about those teams being inept.
I watched both games and the defensive intensity wasn't there. Pacers missed a lot of open shots....
I don't expect them to play great defense against the Pistons either. They don't bother to do that against bad teams....Orlando....Hornets.....Pacers.

The lack of defense IS and SHOULD be a concern. I think this team is too busy reading it's own press clippings.

Phinstripes
11-23-12, 10:58 PM
Lately it seems like the defensive rotations are either late or don't happen. One of the reasons the D was so good to start was they were HELPING and rotating. This game should be an eye opener that they need to get back to work.

And I agree about Tyson. He doesn't look like the same guy.

grizy
11-24-12, 11:03 AM
I am sure a lot of it is just frustration and mental fatigue.

They got a day off before coming home on Sunday. I am sure they'll be ready to play.

Flushing Roots
11-24-12, 05:55 PM
I am sure a lot of it is just frustration and mental fatigue.

They got a day off before coming home on Sunday. I am sure they'll be ready to play.
I agree. They need to get back to the fundamentals both offensively and defensively.

SLURPEE
11-24-12, 06:48 PM
I'm afraid of the Net game. :(

They could get embarrassed if they don't start playing defense again.

GordonGecko
11-24-12, 08:56 PM
Woodson lost both games shrinking the rotation. He needs to use the whole bench every game

Snatch Catch
11-25-12, 01:49 PM
This is the deadest crowd I've been in here in a couple of years.