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SatchelPaigeYankee
12-08-11, 08:59 AM
http://twitter.com/#!/TBrownYahoo/statuses/144792246787641344

Source: Pujols will sign with Angels for 10 years for between $250 and $260 million. Full no-trade. Pujols decided Thursday morning.

GordonGecko
12-08-11, 08:59 AM
speechless

TheHugeUnit2
12-08-11, 09:01 AM
Well Trumbo, Morales and Pujols.. they have depth at 1B.

If they sign Wilson too... man they're stacked!

Snatch Catch
12-08-11, 09:01 AM
Hahaha, I love it!

Big_E
12-08-11, 09:01 AM
it's all the Yankees' fault...

wang+cano=future
12-08-11, 09:01 AM
Wow big money there....The Angels certainly weren't messing around. Rumors are still out there that they will ink Wilson to a 5 year deal at some point today as well.

SatchelPaigeYankee
12-08-11, 09:07 AM
one of my favorite wOBA charts. I discovered it a couple of years ago and it continues to predict accurately


http://www.fangraphs.com/graphs/1177_255_1B_aseason_full_8_20110928.png

THEBOSS84
12-08-11, 09:10 AM
Shocked. Wow. Didn't see this coming.

RYMASTER or Ryan_Yankees
12-08-11, 09:10 AM
I hate Pujols and I hate the Angels. Perfect match!

BRNXBMRS
12-08-11, 09:11 AM
http://a3.twimg.com/profile_images/190827556/jon_heyman_normal.jpg
Jon_Heyman (http://twitter.com/#!/Jon_Heyman) Jon Heyman



albert signs with angels, confirmed. north of $250M

Didnt see that coming

montrealer
12-08-11, 09:14 AM
American league just got Tebowed

pleasepassthesoup
12-08-11, 09:15 AM
It's not gonna be fun facing him every year.

effdamets
12-08-11, 09:17 AM
Wow... I feel badly for Cardinal fans.
Good for Albert though... I'm happy for him.

montrealer
12-08-11, 09:17 AM
It's not gonna be fun facing him every year.

We got A- Rod.......

justtxyank
12-08-11, 09:17 AM
We got A- Rod.......

Who isn't close to being the offensive player that Pujols is.

GordonGecko
12-08-11, 09:18 AM
At $260M, it's really an 8 year deal because the odds say his elite shelf life will probably take him no further than 40 years old. So basically he's getting $32.5M/year. I bet most Cardinals fans are ok with parting ways at that price

THEBOSS84
12-08-11, 09:18 AM
Angels lost out on Tex, Crawford, etc.

They got their man.

montrealer
12-08-11, 09:19 AM
Who isn't close to being the offensive player that Pujols is.

Check your radar

4bronxbombers
12-08-11, 09:20 AM
Wow!

I like Pujols. Cards fans must be pissed!

Yanks3
12-08-11, 09:20 AM
VernonWells10 - I love this game. We have the Machine!!
-> Official Twitter Account of Vernon Wells

lol

nnysiny
12-08-11, 09:20 AM
that contract is bonkers. did they really have to go that high?

THEBOSS84
12-08-11, 09:21 AM
VernonWells10 - I love this game. We have the Machine!!
-> Official Twitter Account of Vernon Wells

lol

Now all he needs to do is retire and the Angels can use his money somewhere more efficiently.

Yankees13
12-08-11, 09:22 AM
I'm sure the Angels will regret this deal eventually, especially if he's actually older than he says. However, I am not looking forward to facing him for the next decade. All the no-mark hitters the Angels have had over the years who killed us, can't imagine what Pujols is gonna do.

Yanksfanintoronto
12-08-11, 09:25 AM
Now all he needs to do is retire and the Angels can use his money somewhere more efficiently.

LOL btw Moreno stance on being anti-big money contracts looks hypocritical now

Zimmer's Helmet
12-08-11, 09:25 AM
I'm sure the Angels will regret this deal eventually, especially if he's actually older than he says. However, I am not looking forward to facing him for the next decade. All the no-mark hitters the Angels have had over the years who killed us, can't imagine what Pujols is gonna do.

Great signing short term, but its never a smart idea to sign any 30-something year old to a 10-year contract.

False1
12-08-11, 09:38 AM
Wow, never anticipated this - really thought St. Louis would be able to keep him. Even at that price, they probably should have matched.

How happy are Angels fans that Theo swooped in on Crawford last year? Yeah, 10 years is a lot... but at their respective prices much better off with Pujols. If they get Wilson too, that team is dangerous... A guy like Wells or Abreu having a bounce back year would help, and they'd have chips to offer in trades as well. Dang.

Yankees1962
12-08-11, 09:38 AM
LOL btw Moreno stance on being anti-big money contracts looks hypocritical now
After being the bridesmaid so many times beforehand, a guy has the right to change his mind and join the party which to me, isn't hypocritical when an owner wants to win.

Yankees1962
12-08-11, 09:39 AM
I'm sure the Angels will regret this deal eventually, especially if he's actually older than he says. However, I am not looking forward to facing him for the next decade. All the no-mark hitters the Angels have had over the years who killed us, can't imagine what Pujols is gonna do.
Yeah, there are still rumors out there that Albert's two years older than his reported age.

BronxYanks45
12-08-11, 09:43 AM
my head just exploded. Hate it cause now he's in the AL. I guess LaRussa leaving must of had an impact on his decision. Also guess Berkman will be playing 1B for STL.

never saw this coming, would have expected the Cubs or Miami

Ram Man
12-08-11, 09:44 AM
Wow... I feel badly for Cardinal fans.


Perhaps for the next six years, but likely not for the last four. If the Cardinals would have had to match this offer to keep him, they're likely better off without him. That's a big chunk of change to commit to one player. The Angels can likely afford it better than the Cardinals could.

NewEraYanks2527
12-08-11, 09:44 AM
I'm sure the Angels will regret this deal eventually, especially if he's actually older than he says. However, I am not looking forward to facing him for the next decade. All the no-mark hitters the Angels have had over the years who killed us, can't imagine what Pujols is gonna do.
Decline quickly.

NelsonMuntz
12-08-11, 09:48 AM
Wow big money there....The Angels certainly weren't messing around. Rumors are still out there that they will ink Wilson to a 5 year deal at some point today as well.
Enrique or Jack?

RhodyYanksFan
12-08-11, 09:49 AM
Moreno will pay more for Pujols ($250) than he did for the entire team in 2003 ($180). I guess Albert realized that it's smarter to go to the AL where he can DH the last 3 years and not worry about his knees giving out.

Given how the Angels routinely make the Yankees look silly, this really upsets me.

Yankees1962
12-08-11, 09:50 AM
Moreno will pay more for Pujols ($250) than he did for the entire team in 2003 ($180). I guess Albert realized that it's smarter to go to the AL where he can DH the last 3 years and not worry about his knees giving out.

Given how the Angels routinely make the Yankees look silly, this really upsets me.
That has not been the case since 2009.

Black Sabbathia
12-08-11, 09:52 AM
Well, I really expected him to stay in STL.

This just made making the playoffs in the AL that much harder. Probably looking at a 1 game Wild Card playoff with the LAA or Texas now, makes winning the AL East that much more imperative. I would nothing to do with Weaver and Pujols in a do or die game.

Angels just threw down the F'n gauntlet. Probably more moves coming from them too as they now have a surplus of 1B along with Callaspo and Izturis who've been shopped around.

I expect one of the other contenders to quickly make a big move in response. Fielder to Texas?

DiMaggio5CF
12-08-11, 09:57 AM
They have the pitching, but they needed the offense, and now they have it. Pujols is that kind of force, at least for now. That contract is going to kill them a few years from now, but right now, this signing puts them with or maybe even above the Rangers as favorites to win the AL West.

I'm really shocked that the Angels came out on top. It seems that lately, they've been in on all the biggest free agents and have always bid just enough to come in second or third.

I can't imagine that the Angels are still in on C.J. Wilson now, though.

I don't know yet if I'm disappointed in Pujols for leaving the Cardinals or if I understand the move he made. I wonder how the Cardinals fans feel now. I know St. Louis isn't an angry fan base, but did he just become public enemy number one?

Yanksfanintoronto
12-08-11, 09:57 AM
Well, I really expected him to stay in STL.

This just made making the playoffs in the AL that much harder. Probably looking at a 1 game Wild Card playoff with the LAA or Texas now, makes winning the AL East that much more imperative. I would nothing to do with Weaver and Pujols in a do or die game.

Angels just threw down the F'n gauntlet. Probably more moves coming from them too as they now have a surplus of 1B along with Callaspo and Izturis who've been shopped around.

I expect one of the other contenders to quickly make a big move in response. Fielder to Texas?

Or Fielder to Miami?

nyybronxbomber73
12-08-11, 09:59 AM
mark my words pujols will be the next lebron, minus the 2 championships :P

nyybronxbomber73
12-08-11, 10:01 AM
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Yanksfanintoronto
12-08-11, 10:01 AM
After being the bridesmaid so many times beforehand, a guy has the right to change his mind and join the party which to me, isn't hypocritical when an owner wants to win.

Anyone has the right to change their mind but that does not prevent him form being a hypocrite. Sure he wants to win and congratulations to him on landing the biggest free agent this year....but he is still a hypocrite.

Either way, if we differ on this we differ...no big deal...bottomline is that it changes the landscape of the AL.

DiMaggio5CF
12-08-11, 10:02 AM
Angels just threw down the F'n gauntlet. Probably more moves coming from them too as they now have a surplus of 1B along with Callaspo and Izturis who've been shopped around.

That's probably very true. They have some good extra chips now if they want to explore a trade. I wonder if they'd be in on Hanley Ramirez if those rumors are true.

Yanksfanintoronto
12-08-11, 10:02 AM
mark my words pujols will be the next lebron, minus the 2 championships :P

How so?

wang+cano=future
12-08-11, 10:03 AM
They have the pitching, but they needed the offense, and now they have it. Pujols is that kind of force, at least for now. That contract is going to kill them a few years from now, but right now, this signing puts them with or maybe even above the Rangers as favorites to win the AL West.

I'm really shocked that the Angels came out on top. It seems that lately, they've been in on all the biggest free agents and have always bid just enough to come in second or third.

I can't imagine that the Angels are still in on C.J. Wilson now, though.

I don't know yet if I'm disappointed in Pujols for leaving the Cardinals or if I understand the move he made. I wonder how the Cardinals fans feel now. I know St. Louis isn't an angry fan base, but did he just become public enemy number one?

Angels signed Wilson to a 5 year dealio this morning:

http://twitter.com/#!/Joelsherman1/statuses/144807265420066816

bcom33
12-08-11, 10:04 AM
All I can say is...Joe...get ready to intentionally walk Pujols in the right situations or feel my wrath! :mad:

DiMaggio5CF
12-08-11, 10:04 AM
I can't imagine that the Angels are still in on C.J. Wilson now, though.


Nevermind.

Ken Rosenthal just said on MLB Network that Joel Sherman is reporting that the Angels are also getting Wilson.

EDIT:

http://twitter.com/Joelsherman1


Joelsherman1Joel Sherman #Angels have completed deal with CJ Wilson as well, an ewxec who talked to Angels this morning told me

PuffNettles9
12-08-11, 10:04 AM
As if a home opener wasnt interesting enuff...Yankee home opener in 2012 just got more interesting w/Pujols going to LAA

Yanksfanintoronto
12-08-11, 10:04 AM
They have the pitching, but they needed the offense, and now they have it. Pujols is that kind of force, at least for now. That contract is going to kill them a few years from now, but right now, this signing puts them with or maybe even above the Rangers as favorites to win the AL West.

I'm really shocked that the Angels came out on top. It seems that lately, they've been in on all the biggest free agents and have always bid just enough to come in second or third.

I can't imagine that the Angels are still in on C.J. Wilson now, though.

I don't know yet if I'm disappointed in Pujols for leaving the Cardinals or if I understand the move he made. I wonder how the Cardinals fans feel now. I know St. Louis isn't an angry fan base, but did he just become public enemy number one?

I wonder if Texas will differ on its stance and increase its offer to CJ as a reactionary deal to the Pujols signing?

EDIT: NVM that

Norge
12-08-11, 10:07 AM
This makes me sad.

JohnnyDamonfan
12-08-11, 10:31 AM
Do you guys think this probably pushes Texas's hand to sign Fielder? Something tells me that Prince Fielder is next on the FA list and he will probably go to Texas or Seattle.

nnysiny
12-08-11, 10:31 AM
That has not been the case since 2009.
yeah...but...the DOOMED!

pleasepassthesoup
12-08-11, 10:35 AM
Do you guys think this probably pushes Texas's hand to sign Fielder? Something tells me that Prince Fielder is next on the FA list and he will probably go to Texas or Seattle.

I'd have to think the Cardinals are big-time suiters for Prince now.

Hitman23
12-08-11, 10:39 AM
it's all the Yankees' fault...I blame A-Rod.

YESSIR!
12-08-11, 10:42 AM
Wow! That rotation is going to be sick. Add Pujols and these sons a sacks are going to be filthy. Do. Not. Like.

pleasepassthesoup
12-08-11, 10:42 AM
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/yankees/post/_/id/25798/cashman-on-pujols-wow
While discussing Pujols' new deal, Cashman gave Jesus Montero, the Yankees DH/backup catcher, one of the highest compliments. He said Pujols' production is "Montero-like." He didn't seem to be kidding around.

Panamaniac42
12-08-11, 10:45 AM
I'd have to think the Cardinals are big-time suiters for Prince now.

I see them being conservative and moving Lance to 1B.

JohnnyDamonfan
12-08-11, 10:48 AM
I see them being conservative and moving Lance to 1B.

^This!!!!

machphantom
12-08-11, 10:49 AM
I know I'm not him and that he won't do it... But if I'm King Felix, this is about the time I would request a trade as far away from the AL West as possible.

Yankee Tripper
12-08-11, 10:50 AM
Let me just say I was hoping Pujols would remain in the NL so I do not like this signing.

unfamous loser
12-08-11, 10:52 AM
I'm never a fan of the Angels getting better, so blech to them signing both Pujols and Wilson (at least for the next few years).

YESSIR!
12-08-11, 10:53 AM
Wonder what the Cards final bid came in at. I figured after the said no to the Marlins he wasn't too high on the idea of leacing St. Louis. Apparently not. Unless that $250 just blew the rest of the offers out of the water.

Tifoso
12-08-11, 10:54 AM
Dammit :(

RhodyYanksFan
12-08-11, 10:59 AM
Do you guys think this probably pushes Texas's hand to sign Fielder? Something tells me that Prince Fielder is next on the FA list and he will probably go to Texas or Seattle.

If Prince goes to Seattle, the AL West will be super fun to watch next year. I feel terrible for the A's and Astros though.

teknetic
12-08-11, 11:00 AM
Weaver, Haren, Wilson, Santana + Morales/Pujols/Trout/Kendrick is pretty gross. The Phillies had the pitching, but not the offense. I'm scared.

JDPNYY
12-08-11, 11:36 AM
The Astros may want to rethink the AL West.

dgreco
12-08-11, 11:40 AM
Big day for the Angels.

RhodyYanksFan
12-08-11, 11:43 AM
Really nice writeup by Jonah Keri about the days news.

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/11778/is-albert-pujols-really-worth-250-million


So here's the $250 million question: Is Pujols a 6.5-win player in 2012?

If he is, that would be a substantial bump from his 2011 production. Pujols hit .299/.366/.541 in 2011. That netted a .385 Weighted On-Base Average, the worst mark of his career by a substantial margin. Pujols hit 37 homers, tied for the third-lowest mark of his career. Only once in his career did he post a lower Isolated Slugging (slugging percentage minus batting average) mark than he did in 2011, another sign of diminished power. Even more stark was the dive in his walk rate: Pujols walked just 9.4% of the time in 2011, the worst mark of his career.

Let's assume that Pujols is in fact the age he says he is, despite some rumblings within the game that he might be older than his listed age of 31 (32 next month). Studies by Bill James and numerous other baseball scholars have found that players tend to peak in their mid-to-late 20s. There have certainly been plenty of outliers on that front, from Barry Bonds (suspicious circumstances) to Jamie Moyer (a Satchel Paige-like pitching freak). But more often than not, once you hit your 30s, it's not going to get any better from there. Pujols went from 9.1 WAR at age 28 to 9.0 WAR at age 29, 7.5 at age 30, and finally 5.1 WAR at age 31 this past season. That's a scary trend for a team that just shelled out $250 million.

Yankees1962
12-08-11, 11:46 AM
Anyone has the right to change their mind but that does not prevent him form being a hypocrite. Sure he wants to win and congratulations to him on landing the biggest free agent this year....but he is still a hypocrite.

Either way, if we differ on this we differ...no big deal...bottomline is that it changes the landscape of the AL.
I guess that means we're all hypocrites because everyone changes their mind and a business owner has the right to change his business model if the prior one wasn't working for him or giving him the desire result which in this case is WS championships.

Yankee Fan in Boston
12-08-11, 11:47 AM
Really nice writeup by Jonah Keri about the days news.

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/11778/is-albert-pujols-really-worth-250-million

I'm not going to be surprised if this deal is viewed as an albatross after a few years. Long-term, the Cardinals were probably smart for not going 10 years.

Tifoso
12-08-11, 11:52 AM
Really nice writeup by Jonah Keri about the days news.

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/11778/is-albert-pujols-really-worth-250-million


Very interesting read. Thanks so much for posting it :gulp:

Can someone give me a 1 sentence definition of WAR?:o

Yankee Fan in Boston
12-08-11, 11:55 AM
Very interesting read. Thanks so much for posting it :gulp:

Can someone give me a 1 sentence definition of WAR?:o

Anything for you:



Wins Above Replacement, commonly known as WAR, is a non-standardized sabermetric (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabermetrics) baseball statistic that is used to show how many more wins a player would give a team as opposed to a "replacement level", or minor league/bench player at that position.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wins_above_replacement

Tifoso
12-08-11, 12:01 PM
Anything for you:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wins_above_replacement


Grazie, amico mio http://forums.nyyfans.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=19238&thumb=1&d=1136395839

GordonGecko
12-08-11, 12:05 PM
Can someone give me a 1 sentence definition of WAR?:o
"How many more wins does your team get for that player instead of the league average player at his position."

Granderson is way up there
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2011&month=0&season1=2011&ind=0

Tifoso
12-08-11, 12:08 PM
"How many more wins does your team get for that player instead of the league average player at his position."

Granderson is way up there
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2011&month=0&season1=2011&ind=0


Thanks!

Pedroia?:eek:

RhodyYanksFan
12-08-11, 12:13 PM
I'm not going to be surprised if this deal is viewed as an albatross after a few years. Long-term, the Cardinals were probably smart for not going 10 years.

Yup, no trade clause, 10 year deal, they're lucky if he's really only 31 years old.

I'm sick of players having this much power. Teams should have maxed out at 5 years for Pujols. Over pay him for 5 years instead of 10. 5/$150million and you get the last great years of Albert Pujols without his decline years dragging you down and hindering your resources to the tune of $25 million a year.

But whatever, I hate the Angels so I hope Albert is really 34 and this blows up in their face in 3 years.

pleasepassthesoup
12-08-11, 12:20 PM
AndrewMarchand (http://twitter.com/#!/AndrewMarchand) Andrew Marchand
Nightengale says Marlins offered 10 yrs and $275M to Pujols but he turned it down to go to LA.

Yankees1962
12-08-11, 12:21 PM
Yup, no trade clause, 10 year deal, they're lucky if he's really only 31 years old.

I'm sick of players having this much power. Teams should have maxed out at 5 years for Pujols. Over pay him for 5 years instead of 10. 5/$150million and you get the last great years of Albert Pujols without his decline years dragging you down and hindering your resources to the tune of $25 million a year.

But whatever, I hate the Angels so I hope Albert is really 34 and this blows up in their face in 3 years.
Nobody is pointing a gun at these teams signing these players.

Yankee Fan in Boston
12-08-11, 12:24 PM
Nobody is pointing a gun at these teams signing these players.

Exactly. I wish he would have stayed in St. Louis, but I think they did the right thing by maintaining some discipline

Yankees1962
12-08-11, 12:26 PM
Exactly. I wish he would have stayed in St. Louis, but I think they did the right thing by maintaining some discipline
One thing for sure, Stan Musial will still be the greatest Cardinal as far as their fanbase is concern.

fredgmuggs
12-08-11, 12:30 PM
that contract is bonkers. did they really have to go that high?

Apparently, yes. What do I know? It's all monopoly money to me (but 10 year contracts for a ballplayer in his 30's is nuts)

BobLoblaw
12-08-11, 12:32 PM
woooow didn't see this coming

teknetic
12-08-11, 12:34 PM
AndrewMarchand (http://twitter.com/#%21/AndrewMarchand) Andrew Marchand
Nightengale says Marlins offered 10 yrs and $275M to Pujols but he turned it down to go to LA.

Weird. More money and on DR's doorstep? Maybe he hates Ozzie.

pleasepassthesoup
12-08-11, 12:38 PM
Weird. More money and on DR's doorstep? Maybe he hates Ozzie.

Or maybe he saw those uniforms.

GordonGecko
12-08-11, 12:42 PM
Or maybe he saw those uniforms.

or the "statue". No, this is not a joke. Yes, they are building this:

http://i.imgur.com/TAcNc.jpg

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/739480/marlins.gif

Zombie
12-08-11, 12:45 PM
This makes Derek Jeter look good and classy ;)

pleasepassthesoup
12-08-11, 12:45 PM
or the "statue". No, this is not a joke. Yes, they are building this:

I want one for Christmas.

OlgMvp
12-08-11, 12:45 PM
or the "statue". No, this is not a joke. Yes, they are building this:

http://i.imgur.com/TAcNc.jpg

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/739480/marlins.gif


That really puts that stupid apple to shame!

Brooklyn Yankee Fan
12-08-11, 12:56 PM
http://i39.tinypic.com/35jmfwh.jpg

Yanksfanintoronto
12-08-11, 01:01 PM
I guess that means we're all hypocrites because everyone changes their mind and a business owner has the right to change his business model if the prior one wasn't working for him or giving him the desire result which in this case is WS championships.

Well not everyone complains about the current business model and then does a 360. His previous business model was not working because of silly decisions on their part. He is against big money contracts for several reasons....one being that the open market might get out of control and cripple several teams. Then he goes out and spends outlandish money (which is his right to do so but it does not take away form the fact that it is outlandish) and goes against what he claims he stood for.

The Yankees do spend outlandish money as well...case in point...the A-Rod contract. But at least they dont go complaining that other teams shouldn't. Whether you like it or not....there is an underlying sense of hypocrisy in all of this.

fredgmuggs
12-08-11, 01:06 PM
I'd have to think the Cardinals are big-time suiters for Prince now.

I think the amount of years for Fielder's contract will be interesting. The guy can hit but given his massive weight I foresee him breaking down in a hurry.

GordonGecko
12-08-11, 01:10 PM
My big problem with the fat MLB contracts is when the player doesn't perform, either through injury, decline in ability, or plain lazyness. Let teams pay what they want, but I wish players could be required to hit some numbers or be cut/docked pay.

teknetic
12-08-11, 01:34 PM
or the "statue". No, this is not a joke. Yes, they are building this:



That stadium doesn't look close to being done. Or does it?

35Knucklecurve
12-08-11, 01:43 PM
I feel badly for Cardinal fans - they must be in shock.

Well, down the line when Albert is 37 and needs some rest, he can DH. I would never sign a player to a 10 year deal, especially one in his 30's already. He could beat the odds and maintain a high level of productivity, but I see signs that he may have already had his best years.

Messerwhitescooter
12-08-11, 01:50 PM
Pitch around him. Especially, you, AJ

Big_E
12-08-11, 01:54 PM
Well not everyone complains about the current business model and then does a 360.

I hate being grammar police, but this one is a pet peeve.

You do a 180, to take the completely opposite position.
If you do a 360, you end up in the same spot in which you started.

PuffNettles9
12-08-11, 02:28 PM
I hate being grammar police, but this one is a pet peeve.

You do a 180, to take the completely opposite position.
If you do a 360, you end up in the same spot in which you started.


I could care less....is another pet peeve....its i couldn't care less

snapple
12-08-11, 02:30 PM
Rangers is still the better team. ;)

GordonGecko
12-08-11, 02:30 PM
I hate being grammar police, but this one is a pet peeve.

You do a 180, to take the completely opposite position.
If you do a 360, you end up in the same spot in which you started.

common man, I could care less ;)

Yanksfanintoronto
12-08-11, 02:55 PM
I hate being grammar police, but this one is a pet peeve.

You do a 180, to take the completely opposite position.
If you do a 360, you end up in the same spot in which you started.

Good Point Sir :D It has been duly noted!

pleasepassthesoup
12-08-11, 03:42 PM
The Oakland A's have made their response:

BMcCarthy32 (http://twitter.com/#!/BMcCarthy32) Brandon McCarthy

Hey <S>@</S>BrettAnderson49 (http://twitter.com/#!/BrettAnderson49) <S>@</S>DALLASBRADEN209 (http://twitter.com/#!/DALLASBRADEN209) <S>@</S>GioGonzalez47 (http://twitter.com/#!/GioGonzalez47) <S>@</S>AndrewBailey40 (http://twitter.com/#!/AndrewBailey40) in response to today's news let's all do an extra set of pushups.

bcom33
12-08-11, 03:44 PM
or the "statue". No, this is not a joke. Yes, they are building this:

http://i.imgur.com/TAcNc.jpg

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/739480/marlins.gif

Wait. Wait wait wait wait wait.

That was NOT a joke?????????? :uhh:

d32123
12-08-11, 03:47 PM
All the Mariners fans on my facebook are in full-on panic mode. I still haven't been able to wrap my mind around this signing!

I wonder if the Cardinals would be interested in trading for Nick Swisher to play right field for them and make up for some of the lost offense? I assume Berkman is now the first baseman there.

Ram Man
12-08-11, 03:49 PM
I could care less....is another pet peeve....its i couldn't care less

That should be "it's I couldn't care less."

GordonGecko
12-08-11, 04:06 PM
Wait. Wait wait wait wait wait.

That was NOT a joke?????????? :uhh:

"It could be a work in progress, but it could also be another step in making the Marlins the laughing stock of professional sports."
http://miami.cbslocal.com/2011/10/07/new-marlins-stadium-feature-turning-heads/
http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports/columnists/hyde/blog/2011/10/marlins_new_stadium_sculpture_1.html

bcom33
12-08-11, 04:12 PM
"It could be a work in progress, but it could also be another step in making the Marlins the laughing stock of professional sports."
http://miami.cbslocal.com/2011/10/07/new-marlins-stadium-feature-turning-heads/
http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports/columnists/hyde/blog/2011/10/marlins_new_stadium_sculpture_1.html

I seriously thought this was something from a South Park episode... :D

GordonGecko
12-08-11, 04:18 PM
If the Angels had evidence of a false birthday claimed by Pujols, I wonder if they would hold that info close to the vest until his 7th year or so to void the contract... :eek:

Black Sabbathia
12-08-11, 04:18 PM
All the Mariners fans on my facebook are in full-on panic mode. I still haven't been able to wrap my mind around this signing!

I wonder if the Cardinals would be interested in trading for Nick Swisher to play right field for them and make up for some of the lost offense? I assume Berkman is now the first baseman there.

They can move Berkman to first and make Allen Craig the everyday right fielder. Or they could go after Beltran, Cuddyer, Kubel, Willingham or Cody Ross with some of the money freed up by Pujols.

If they did have interest in Swisher, what would you want in return? I'm not familiar with their farm system beyond Shelby Miller. And who would you replace Swisher with?

Tifoso
12-08-11, 04:19 PM
If the Angels had evidence of a false birthday claimed by Pujols, I wonder if they would hold that info close to the vest until his 7th year or so to void the contract... :eek:


Sure they could.

effdamets
12-08-11, 04:20 PM
I seriously thought this was something from a South Park episode... :D
Hilarious...

What a great description!
Kinda fitting though... the Marlins' owner is like something from a South Park episode...

d32123
12-08-11, 04:22 PM
And who would you replace Swisher with?

Yoenis Cespedes!!!!

Seriously though it was just in the heat of the moment and not well thought out. I could realistically see them going after Beltran now.

snapple
12-08-11, 04:39 PM
Oh, I think the Rangers are still the better team in the AL West.

I'll give nine reasons why:

Kinsler
Andrus
Beltre
Nappoli
Mooreland
Cruz
Hamilton
Young
Murphy

bcom33
12-08-11, 04:45 PM
Oh, I think the Rangers are still the better team in the AL West.

I'll give nine reasons why:

Kinsler
Andrus
Beltre
Nappoli
Mooreland
Cruz
Hamilton
Young
Murphy

You know it kind of makes me thankful for the second Wild Card spot. The AL is starting to get even more STACKED.

Tifoso
12-08-11, 04:48 PM
You know it kind of makes me thankful for the second Wild Card spot. The AL is starting to get even more STACKED.


I'm thankful for the second WC, because it burns both #1 pitchers ;)

bcom33
12-08-11, 04:51 PM
I'm thankful for the second WC, because it burns both #1 pitchers ;)

Yeah, I mean obviously we'll be in first place :)

Yankee Tripper
12-08-11, 05:21 PM
Oh, I think the Rangers are still the better team in the AL West.

I'll give nine reasons why:

Kinsler
Andrus
Beltre
Nappoli
Mooreland
Cruz
Hamilton
Young
Murphy

Add Pujols, a heathy Morales & Ianetta @ C to the LAA's core of - Kendrick, Hunter, Burjeous, Trumbo, Aybar & Wells and the Angels offense doesn't look so putrid next year.

snapple
12-08-11, 05:22 PM
Not saying the Angels are bad. But the Rangers arguably have the best 1-9 in the MLB, let alone the AL.

If Tex, A-Rod and Swish get into form, I'll say the Yankees are better.

Yankees1962
12-08-11, 06:40 PM
Add Pujols, a heathy Morales & Ianetta @ C to the LAA's core of - Kendrick, Hunter, Burjeous, Trumbo, Aybar & Wells and the Angels offense doesn't look so putrid next year.
I don't know how they're going to get Pujols, Morales and Trumbo in the lineup at the same time. None of them appear to be a fit for the outfield so you have first base with Albert and then DH.

nnysiny
12-08-11, 06:46 PM
i have been staring at the Marlin gif all day and still cant figure how it would look in real life

awy
12-08-11, 06:49 PM
wait what

awy
12-08-11, 06:50 PM
i'm sorry i have to pass out

TheGameEpisode2
12-08-11, 06:59 PM
It should have never gotten to the point where the Cardinals had competition for Pujols. He should have signed this deal a year ago.


Ridiculous that they let him go. I get he's 31 years old and a ten year deal is bad, but sometimes it goes further than baseball. This guy IS the franchise. He's the best damn player in the game, and they get outbid by the Angels?


Sad.

dgreco
12-08-11, 07:59 PM
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff183/thedorf08/albertangels.png

Zombie
12-08-11, 08:26 PM
fantastic story on how offers to pujols went.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/al/angels/story/2011-12-08/albert-pujols-cj-wilson-sign/51750952/1?AID=4992781&PID=4166869&SID=1s5fbz0rj4jqq

i wonder who was the mystery team?

Yankee Fan in Boston
12-08-11, 08:45 PM
It should have never gotten to the point where the Cardinals had competition for Pujols. He should have signed this deal a year ago.


Ridiculous that they let him go. I get he's 31 years old and a ten year deal is bad, but sometimes it goes further than baseball. This guy IS the franchise. He's the best damn player in the game, and they get outbid by the Angels?

Sad.

He'll be 32 in January, and may actually be older. I think they did the right thing. That contract could really hamstring them down the road. That's a lot of money to be paying a guy in his late 30s/early 40s

philleotardo
12-08-11, 10:29 PM
Add Pujols, a heathy Morales & Ianetta @ C to the LAA's core of - Kendrick, Hunter, Burjeous, Trumbo, Aybar & Wells and the Angels offense doesn't look so putrid next year.
One of these things looks putrid.

SatchelPaigeYankee
12-08-11, 10:31 PM
fantastic story on how offers to pujols went.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/al/angels/story/2011-12-08/albert-pujols-cj-wilson-sign/51750952/1?AID=4992781&PID=4166869&SID=1s5fbz0rj4jqq

i wonder who was the mystery team?

great article

OlgMvp
12-08-11, 10:58 PM
fantastic story on how offers to pujols went.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/al/angels/story/2011-12-08/albert-pujols-cj-wilson-sign/51750952/1?AID=4992781&PID=4166869&SID=1s5fbz0rj4jqq

i wonder who was the mystery team?


Brewers? Nationals? Texas?

JohnnyDamonfan
12-09-11, 04:44 AM
We only need to face the Angels like 9 times this year. I gotta admit I am kinda worried a lot more worried then I was before about facing the Angels especially after Pujols and CJ Wilson. On another note. Albert Pujols better hope to god that the Angels aren't coming to Busch Stadium anytime soon.

TheGameEpisode2
12-09-11, 06:19 AM
We only need to face the Angels like 9 times this year. I gotta admit I am kinda worried a lot more worried then I was before about facing the Angels especially after Pujols and CJ Wilson. On another note. Albert Pujols better hope to god that the Angels aren't coming to Busch Stadium anytime soon.

You think they'll boo him?

I think he's gonna get a standing ovation. The Cards were outbid by three other teams BY A LOT, do you really think fans would be mad at him for taking the (second) best deal after he was a bargain for them for all those years?

JohnnyDamonfan
12-09-11, 06:23 AM
You think they'll boo him?

I think he's gonna get a standing ovation. The Cards were outbid by three other teams BY A LOT, do you really think fans would be mad at him for taking the (second) best deal after he was a bargain for them for all those years?

Look up "Cardinals Message Boards" on Google. Trust me there are all kinds of crap. There are people talking about burning their Pujols Jerseys. People saying they should tear down the Pujols statue outside Busch Stadium. Etc.etc.etc. Believe me fans are beyond pissed at him.

And just in case you don't believe me look at this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPh9ljcEA7w

35Knucklecurve
12-09-11, 09:15 AM
Look up "Cardinals Message Boards" on Google. Trust me there are all kinds of crap. There are people talking about burning their Pujols Jerseys. People saying they should tear down the Pujols statue outside Busch Stadium. Etc.etc.etc. Believe me fans are beyond pissed at him.

And just in case you don't believe me look at this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPh9ljcEA7w
Although he didn't make a total farce out of leaving his current team, ala Lebron James, it would not surprise me one bit to see some #5 jerseys burned in St. Louis. The fans need to also get an explanation from management on why they waited around so long to try to re-sign him. There's no rule that states you have to wait until a player's current contract expires or the season ends before you initiate negoiations for a new one. I know Albert stated back in spring training that he did not want to discuss a new deal until the season was over, but that should have been a warning flag, IMO. They just seemed to take it for granted that he would take their offer and if they'd done it sooner, ot might have taken less to re-sign him. The fact that this all happened so damned fast just shows you how Pujols felt.

ArodEra
12-09-11, 09:24 AM
Soooo.....Mr. Pujols goes from a storied franchise - the Yankees of the N.L. - to the NY Islanders/NY Jets/NJ Nets of baseball.

GordonGecko
12-09-11, 09:47 AM
Soooo.....Mr. Pujols goes from a storied franchise - the Yankees of the N.L. - to the NY Islanders/NY Jets/NJ Nets of baseball.

That's the dumbest cheapshot I've ever heard

nnysiny
12-09-11, 09:51 AM
Soooo.....Mr. Pujols goes from a storied franchise - the Yankees of the N.L. - to the NY Islanders/NY Jets/NJ Nets of baseball.
lol wut

ArodEra
12-09-11, 09:52 AM
That's the dumbest cheapshot I've ever heard
Sorry, forgot to add your NY Mets to the Islanders/Nets/Jets mix. I beg for your forgiveness.

ArodEra
12-09-11, 10:00 AM
lol wut
Dude, do I really have to spell out the Cards' place in baseball history and second class citizen reference - Angels/Dodgers, Rangers/Islanders, Giants/Jets, Yankees/Mets, Knicks/Nets, etc? (I guess I just did).

effdamets
12-09-11, 10:07 AM
I'm thankful for the second WC, because it burns both #1 pitchers ;)
This isn't necessarily true.
What if both teams burned their number 1 pitchers on the last day of the season to get the WC playoff game?

GordonGecko
12-09-11, 10:15 AM
Dude, do I really have to spell out the Cards' place in baseball history and second class citizen reference - Angels/Dodgers, Rangers/Islanders, Giants/Jets, Yankees/Mets, Knicks/Nets, etc? (I guess I just did).

Except that the Angles are hardly a second class team, they have been a class organization and very popular in their region. Not to mention that the Jets are more popular than the Giants

GordonGecko
12-09-11, 10:16 AM
Holy crap, Angels about to sign a TV deal worth $150,000,000 per year for 20 years. No wonder they could afford these contracts.
http://bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/other_mlb/view/20111209albert_pujols_cj_wilson_deals_enabled_by_angels_tv_revenue

BobLoblaw
12-09-11, 10:20 AM
The Oakland A's have made their response:

BMcCarthy32 (http://twitter.com/#!/BMcCarthy32) Brandon McCarthy

Hey <S>@</S>BrettAnderson49 (http://twitter.com/#!/BrettAnderson49) <S>@</S>DALLASBRADEN209 (http://twitter.com/#!/DALLASBRADEN209) <S>@</S>GioGonzalez47 (http://twitter.com/#!/GioGonzalez47) <S>@</S>AndrewBailey40 (http://twitter.com/#!/AndrewBailey40) in response to today's news let's all do an extra set of pushups.

The A's are the best tweeters in MLB

Especially McCarthy, he consistently cracks me up

Beccash18
12-09-11, 10:22 AM
If the Angels had evidence of a false birthday claimed by Pujols, I wonder if they would hold that info close to the vest until his 7th year or so to void the contract... :eek:

I don't know if they could. If Albert could prove that they knew earlier then there could possibly be the argument of if you knew why not void earlier. Seems a bit unethical if they try and void the last part of the contract if they've known the whole time that he's older. Kind of if you made the bed you should lie in it.

ArodEra
12-09-11, 10:24 AM
Except that the Cardinals are hardly the Yankees

Is that how you really interpreted what I said? Interesting. The Cards certainly aren't the Yankees, but historically can certainly be considered the "Yankees of the NL" with their rich, baseball tradition. No one is the Yankees.


and the Jets are more popular than the Giants

Yeah, okay. And your Mets were more popular than the Yanks in '86, '69 and other years. Does that make them the Yankees equal in stature, history and tradition? Same applies to the Jets/Isles/Nets.

And yes, the Angels are second class citizens to the Dodgers in LA and surrounding burbs. Or will you argue that they aren't because they outdrew the Dodgers (fun fact: first time ever) last year?

GordonGecko
12-09-11, 10:32 AM
Is that how you really interpreted what I said? Interesting. The Cards certainly aren't the Yankees, but historically can certainly be considered the "Yankees of the NL" with their rich, baseball tradition. No one is the Yankees.

Yea, okay. And your Mets were more popular than the Yanks in '86, '69 and other years. Does that make them the Yankees equal in stature, history and tradition?

And yes, the Angels are second class citizens to the Dodgers in LA. Or will you argue that they aren't because they outdrew the Dodgers last year?
Have you ever even been to Southern California? The Angels & Dodgers are 30 miles apart and in different worlds. They are completely different markets. It's not a big brother/little brother type of arrangement. Yes the Dodgers have fans throughout socal but the Angels have a large first rate fan base.

And if you want to talk about "interpreting what I said", how about READING what I said. I never mentioned the Mets, I wrote Jets (note the curly J character thingy) who get a lot more air time these days because they are way more popular than you could ever give them credit for and usually outdraw the Giants in TV ratings

dgreco
12-09-11, 10:46 AM
Holy crap, Angels about to sign a TV deal worth $150,000,000 per year for 20 years. No wonder they could afford these contracts.
http://bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/other_mlb/view/20111209albert_pujols_cj_wilson_deals_enabled_by_angels_tv_revenue

that certainly is a huge help.

ArodEra
12-09-11, 10:49 AM
Have you ever even been to Southern California? The Angels & Dodgers are 30 miles apart and in different worlds. They are completely different markets. It's not a big brother/little brother type of arrangement. Yes the Dodgers have fans throughout socal but the Angels have a large first rate fan base.

And if you want to talk about "interpreting what I said", how about READING what I said. I never mentioned the Mets, I wrote Jets (note the curly J character thingy) who get a lot more air time these days because they are way more popular than you could ever give them credit for and usually outdraw the Giants in TV ratings

I lived in Manhattan Beach, LA for over a year, so I'm somewhat aware of the region. The Angels try to capture whatever scraps they can in the LA market (hence the name change) but will always be the ugly stepchild in the region (albeit the distance) and will never be as "sexy" as the Dodgers or comes close to their glory, regardless of their success or trend of the day. Second class citizens, indeed.

I only incorporated the Mets into my discussion and analogy figuring that my view would be clearer to you considering that you're a Mets fan that participates on various Mets sites and probably understand the team relative to the Yanks, NYC and baseball history (I don't buy into the ties to the NY Giants and Bklyn Dodgers other than all played in the NL). And since you devote a lot of time selling and discussing tickets on this and other sites, you should understand that trend and popularity (of said tickets) are irrelevant when discussing a team's stature and standing in baseball history within the respective cities they play.

GordonGecko
12-09-11, 11:02 AM
I lived in Manhattan Beach, LA for over a year, so I'm somewhat aware of the region. The Angels try to capture whatever scraps they can in the LA market (hence the name change) but will always be the ugly stepchild in the region (albeit the distance) and will never be as "sexy" as the Dodgers or comes close to their glory, regardless of their success or trend of the day. Second class citizens, indeed.

I only incorporated the Mets into my discussion and analogy figuring that my view would be clearer to you considering that you're a Mets fan that participates on various Mets sites and probably understand the team relative to the Yanks, NYC and baseball history (I don't buy into the ties to the NY Giants and Bklyn Dodgers other than all played in the NL). And since you devote a lot of time selling and discussing tickets on this and other sites, you should understand that trend and popularity (of said tickets) are irrelevant when discussing a team's stature and standing in baseball history within the respective cities they play.
100% I will root for the Mets to win, they are my National League team, but that's not to say I don't understand that they are run Bush League by a band of incompetent bafoons. Dodgers/Angels doesn't compare well at all to Yankees/Mets, I don't know when you lived in Manhattan beach but it doesn't sound like it was too recently. The Angels have been run very very well for the past several years, and they now have their own separate and established large fan base

Big_E
12-09-11, 11:24 AM
Not to mention that the Jets are more popular than the Giants

No, they're not.

NelsonMuntz
12-09-11, 12:25 PM
fantastic story on how offers to pujols went.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/al/angels/story/2011-12-08/albert-pujols-cj-wilson-sign/51750952/1?AID=4992781&PID=4166869&SID=1s5fbz0rj4jqq

i wonder who was the mystery team?
So let me get this straight -- poor Albert felt "frustrated" and "disrespected" by the Cardinals after receiving a $210 million contract offer. My heart bleeds for him.

Yankees1962
12-09-11, 12:30 PM
So let me get this straight -- poor Albert felt "frustrated" and "disrespected" by the Cardinals after receiving a $210 million contract offer. My heart bleeds for him.
Fans will never understand this type of thinking because they're fans and simply can't empathize with that type of thought pattern.

THEBOSS84
12-09-11, 12:38 PM
Fans will never understand this type of thinking because they're fans and simply can't empathize with that type of thought pattern.

And we never will. He felt disrespected over dollars he nor his children will ever get to spend. Maybe his children's children may get to spend it, but I doubt they can mow through money that quickly.

yanksphan
12-09-11, 01:08 PM
I lived in Manhattan Beach, LA for over a year, so I'm somewhat aware of the region. The Angels try to capture whatever scraps they can in the LA market (hence the name change) but will always be the ugly stepchild in the region (albeit the distance) and will never be as "sexy" as the Dodgers or comes close to their glory, regardless of their success or trend of the day. Second class citizens, indeed.


I lived in North San Diego county for 11 years. While the Dodgers have some history, going to Dodger games has turned into 'something to do'. Whereas Angel games are 'going to see my team play'. It's true what they say about Dodger games starting in the 3rd inning and ending in the 7th.

I have been to both stadiums well over 100x in my time there and have witnessed the Dodgers demise and Angels uprising for myself. You are completely off base in suggesting the Angels are the 2nd team in LA right now. It hasn't been that way for a long time.

Yankees1962
12-09-11, 01:20 PM
And we never will. He felt disrespected over dollars he nor his children will ever get to spend. Maybe his children's children may get to spend it, but I doubt they can mow through money that quickly.
It's strickly business and players should stay away from the word "disrespected" as most of us can understand making a good business decision in taking the most money.

Big_E
12-09-11, 01:26 PM
I lived in North San Diego county for 11 years. While the Dodgers have some history, going to Dodger games has turned into 'something to do'. Whereas Angel games are 'going to see my team play'. It's true what they say about Dodger games starting in the 3rd inning and ending in the 7th.

I have been to both stadiums well over 100x in my time there and have witnessed the Dodgers demise and Angels uprising for myself. You are completely off base in suggesting the Angels are the 2nd team in LA right now. It hasn't been that way for a long time.

If both teams were equal -- that is, both stink or both are playoff-caliber -- which would be the #1 team in the area? The Dodgers or the Angels?

NelsonMuntz
12-09-11, 01:27 PM
It's strickly business and players should stay away from the word "disrespected" as most of us can understand making a good business decision in taking the most money.
Right. I can certainly understand Pujols wanting to get the best deal possible. Just don't play the "disrespected" card. It's tough to empathize with feeling "disrespected" over receiving a job offer worth $200+ million, particularly in this economy.

GordonGecko
12-09-11, 01:34 PM
If both teams were equal -- that is, both stink or both are playoff-caliber -- which would be the #1 team in the area? The Dodgers or the Angels?

But it's not even really the same "area". Bulk of Angels fans are in Orange & Riverside counties and most Dodger fans are in LA county. The crossover debate just isn't the same as the Mets/Yankees situation in the same city

yanksphan
12-09-11, 05:08 PM
If both teams were equal -- that is, both stink or both are playoff-caliber -- which would be the #1 team in the area? The Dodgers or the Angels?

Honestly, the Angels. They have a true fanbase who hang on every game of the season. The Dodgers are more of a fashion statement than a baseball team these days.

What GGecko says applies also - but I was more commenting on the loyalty/interest level of the two teams' respective fanbases.

Tifoso
12-09-11, 05:09 PM
Honestly, the Angels. They have a true fanbase who hang on every game of the season. The Dodgers are more of a fashion statement than a baseball team these days.

What GGecko says applies also - but I was more commenting on the loyalty/interest level of the two teams' respective fanbases.

Agreed. The Angels' stadium is fantastic

dgreco
12-09-11, 05:12 PM
Honestly, the Angels. They have a true fanbase who hang on every game of the season. The Dodgers are more of a fashion statement than a baseball team these days.

What GGecko says applies also - but I was more commenting on the loyalty/interest level of the two teams' respective fanbases.

if by hang on every game of the season it means coming late and leaving early, sure. I do agree though that the Angels probably have a more "serious" fanbase than LA. A Dodgers cap is a fashion statement first and support for a team second.

Tifoso
12-09-11, 05:18 PM
if by hang on every game of the season it means coming late and leaving early, sure. I do agree though that the Angels probably have a more "serious" fanbase than LA. A Dodgers cap is a fashion statement first and support for a team second.


That happens with all the west coast teams, though. The Dodgers are notorious for having fans leave in the 7th...but if your team is losing, the other CA teams fans leave early, too (B8).

In "our" defense, we have so many other distractingly fun things to do and the fanbases come from miles and miles away. It's not unusual to leave a game at 10 and get home at 2AM

yanksphan
12-09-11, 06:33 PM
The Angels games I went to had people partying in the lot before the game, and police officers on horses asking them to leave after the game.

Not so much at Chavez Ravine....

ChewieTobbacca
12-10-11, 05:16 AM
The LA area spans a 100 mile west to east range and 80 miles north south. It is a GIANT urban area. Dodgers and Angels cover very distinct areas - the Angels have less pedigree for sure, but they've had far more recent success.

Pujols will be a big draw no matter what - if Manny, an aging roided Sox cast-off can draw tons of fans to Dodger stadium, a bona fide superstar in Pujols is surely going to draw a LOT of attention.

Jim Colyer
12-10-11, 06:52 PM
A lot of money!

nnysiny
12-11-11, 06:55 AM
good lord, how much are they paying him in total?
http://twitter.com/#!/Alden_Gonzalez/status/145656612361744385

Alden Gonzalez Pujols' 10 -year deal includes an extra 10 years after he's done playing, which will have him serve as a consultant to Moreno. <s class="hash">#</s>Angels (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23Angels)

12 hours ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/Alden_Gonzalez/status/145656612361744385)

GordonGecko
12-11-11, 07:03 AM
I guess that's what a 3 billion dollar TV contract will get you these days

grizy
12-11-11, 04:25 PM
If I wanted to, I could blow through 10 or 20 million dollars a year even without buying big ticket items like million dollar cars or private jets.

Plenty of businesses out there to par fools from their money

Ram Man
12-11-11, 05:55 PM
If I wanted to, I could blow through 10 or 20 million dollars a year even without buying big ticket items like million dollar cars or private jets.

I don't know if I could. It would take some work to spend that much money on small stuff. I'm willing to give it a try however.

SatchelPaigeYankee
12-12-11, 10:32 AM
If I wanted to, I could blow through 10 or 20 million dollars a year even without buying big ticket items like million dollar cars or private jets.

Plenty of businesses out there to par fools from their money

i really couldnt imagine that. how would you?


(edit: besides gambling/"investing")

Yanksfanintoronto
12-12-11, 10:57 AM
Interesting articles that speak of Arte Moreno's hypocrisy.

Again I don't blame him for the signings as he has every right to field a winning team, but it is interesting how much certain owners/GM's can bad mouth the Yankees and not get criticized for doing the exact same thing.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/sportsmoney/2011/12/11/baseballs-latest-villain-is-an-angel/2/

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/dec/17/sports/la-sp-moreno-angels-20101218

CoyoteYankee
12-12-11, 05:30 PM
If I wanted to, I could blow through 10 or 20 million dollars a year even without buying big ticket items like million dollar cars or private jets.

Plenty of businesses out there to par fools from their money


Brewster!

Big_E
12-12-11, 05:47 PM
Brewster!
He did it in 30 days, and at the end had nothing to show for it except the clothes on his back.

dgreco
12-13-11, 09:20 AM
Deidre comes out and says 5/130 was the starting offer from St. Louis. Is it really that insulting?

teknetic
12-13-11, 09:36 AM
Yea, he'd be 37 and looking for another contract. The money was definitely a huge factor, but the years were just as important. Anyways, I think the $30M that was deferred turned him off.

Ram Man
12-13-11, 01:35 PM
Deidre comes out and says 5/130 was the starting offer from St. Louis. Is it really that insulting?

In context, yes it is insulting. As the article stated, the Cardinals said that they wanted him to be a "Cardinal for life" but then offer him a five year contract with deferred money? I'd be insulted too. However, in a different context, let's say mine, if the Cardinals offered me 5/$130 right now, I wouldn't even bother giving my boss two weeks notice. I'd be on a plane this afternoon.

False1
12-13-11, 07:23 PM
In context, yes it is insulting. As the article stated, the Cardinals said that they wanted him to be a "Cardinal for life" but then offer him a five year contract with deferred money? I'd be insulted too. However, in a different context, let's say mine, if the Cardinals offered me 5/$130 right now, I wouldn't even bother giving my boss two weeks notice. I'd be on a plane this afternoon.Yeah. Just because it's dollars that most of us can't even relate to doesn't mean it's insulting. Think of it this way...

Let's say you're 12 and have a baseball card collection worth $2000. That's a ton of money for a 12 year old. A dealer offers you $1000 for it. That's still a ton of money for a 12 year old. But that offer is only 50% of its value.

Yankees1962
12-13-11, 07:46 PM
Yeah. Just because it's dollars that most of us can't even relate to doesn't mean it's insulting. Think of it this way...

Let's say you're 12 and have a baseball card collection worth $2000. That's a ton of money for a 12 year old. A dealer offers you $1000 for it. That's still a ton of money for a 12 year old. But that offer is only 50% of its value.
We are too far from those contract negotiations to know what's personally insulting to Pujols or not. Only he can truly judge what happened there. You're right though, that we can't relate to that type of situation, not at those dollar amounts nor the prolonged negotiations that took place between the player and his former club.

Champagne Super Nova
12-15-11, 08:03 AM
We are too far from those contract negotiations to know what's personally insulting to Pujols or not. Only he can truly judge what happened there. You're right though, that we can't relate to that type of situation, not at those dollar amounts nor the prolonged negotiations that took place between the player and his former club.

I agree. Many of the "insults" are usually nothing more than a contract negotiations tactics done to get more money or better terms from the other side. I am sure the Cardinals did what they could under the long term money constraints while Albert wanted to get long term market value.

The FUTURE
12-15-11, 05:05 PM
So what's their lineup going to look like ? anyway they can fit Trumbo and Morales into the lineup around Pujols

Mr. Mxylsplk
12-16-11, 09:19 AM
So what's their lineup going to look like ? anyway they can fit Trumbo and Morales into the lineup around Pujols
The Angels have said they think Trumbo could 3B. If he can, they'd still have to move Abreu, but his contract is probably manageable enough for them to do that without having to eat too much. But if Trumbo's defense isn't good enough for anyplace other than 1st, they've got quite the logjam.

SatchelPaigeYankee
12-16-11, 09:32 AM
If Trumbo is 3B, then they have to do something about their IF logjam too. Kendrick, Callaspo, Izturis, Aybar, Trumbo for 3 IF positions.

2011 numbers:
Chris Iannetta: .238/.370/.414, 14 HR, 55 RBI, 6 SB in 345 AB C
Albert Pujols: .299/.366/.541, 37 HR, 99 RBI, 9 SB in 579 AB 1B
Mark Trumbo: .254/.291/.477, 29 HR, 87 RBI, 9 SB in 539 AB 1B, RF, 3B?
Howie Kendrick: .285/.338/.464, 18 HR, 63 RBI, 14 SB in 537 AB 2B, 1B, LF, RF
Alberto Callaspo: .288/.366/.375, 6 HR, 46 RBI, 8 SB in 475 AB 3B, 2B
Erick Aybar: .279/.322/.421, 10 HR, 59 RBI, 30 SB in 556 AB SS
Maicer Izturis: .276/.334/.388, 5 HR, 38 RBI, 9 SB in 449 AB 3B, SS, 2B
Vernon Wells: .218/.248/.412, 25 HR, 66 RBI, 9 SB in 505 AB LF, CF
Peter Bourjos: .271/.327/.438, 12 HR, 43 RBI, 22 SB in 502 AB CF
Torii Hunter: .262/.336/.429, 23 HR, 82 RBI, 5 SB in 580 AB RF
Bobby Abreu: .253/.353/.365, 8 HR, 60 RBI, 21 SB in 502 AB DH, LF, RF
Kendrys Morales: injured, .290/.346/.487/.833 in 2010, 1B, DH
Mike Trout: .220/.281/.390/.672 as a rookie, CF, LF, RF

That's 13 position players, not counting their backup catcher.

Mr. Mxylsplk
12-16-11, 11:07 AM
If Trumbo is 3B, then they have to do something about their IF logjam too. Kendrick, Callaspo, Izturis, Aybar, Trumbo for 3 IF positions.
Do players like Callaspo, Izturis and Aybar really constitute a logjam? I don't think any team would consider it a problem to relegate them to part-time roles. They're probably easily tradeable as well.

I am curious to see what they do with Bourjos though.

THEBOSS84
12-16-11, 03:35 PM
Do players like Callaspo, Izturis and Aybar really constitute a logjam? I don't think any team would consider it a problem to relegate them to part-time roles. They're probably easily tradeable as well.

I am curious to see what they do with Bourjos though.

Bourjos is essentially LAA's version of Gardner (4.4 fWAR this year). They'd be foolish to move him unless the return is right. All I can say is...thank GOD they have Wells. To think what they could have used that $20M+ on over the next 3 years instead...

89FoxBody
12-16-11, 09:52 PM
Even with Pujols in it, that lineup isn't really scary at all.

Abreu and Hunter are old.

Pujols will still put up great numbers but has been declining.

Who knows what to expect from Trumbo, Trout, Bourjos, and Morales coming back from injury.

Yankee Fan in Boston
12-16-11, 10:28 PM
Bourjos is essentially LAA's version of Gardner (4.4 fWAR this year). They'd be foolish to move him unless the return is right. All I can say is...thank GOD they have Wells. To think what they could have used that $20M+ on over the next 3 years instead...

And by the time Wells is gone, people are going to wake up to the fact that Pujols' contract is going to be their next albatross

str8carter
04-13-12, 12:04 PM
Even with Pujols in it, that lineup isn't really scary at all.

Abreu and Hunter are old.

Pujols will still put up great numbers but has been declining.

Who knows what to expect from Trumbo, Trout, Bourjos, and Morales coming back from injury.He will not put up great numbers...he's 3 years older than he says he is and he's been off HGH for nearly 2. If the Halo's are gonna win they are going to have to do it w/o much help from THAT gazillionaire.

awy
04-13-12, 05:01 PM
my image of the angels is a team that often overvalues certain parts of their team, but they get so many of them it sometimes doesn't matter.

kind of like seattle but with mroe money

Stick Michael
04-13-12, 08:00 PM
He will not put up great numbers...he's 3 years older than he says he is and he's been off HGH for nearly 2. If the Halo's are gonna win they are going to have to do it w/o much help from THAT gazillionaire.

str8carter,

Stating unsubstantiated rumors as fact is not allowed here. If you wish to say you believe a player is doing and/or did PEDs due to circumstantial evidence, fine, but stating it as fact, at best, leads to hearsay, and could be considered slanderous. Please choose your words more carefully.

Jax Teller
04-13-12, 09:39 PM
Mark Feinsand ‏ <s>@</s>BloggingBombers (https://twitter.com/#%21/BloggingBombers)


On whether he ever misses St Louis, Pujols said, "I'm way past that ... I have a new family, new teammates."

NYYFAN
04-25-12, 11:00 PM
Pujols numbers are insanely bad so far. Who would of thought he would start this badly...

Might make the Arod deal look good...

HerbieLee20
04-26-12, 01:27 AM
^ :eek: @ Pujols

Avg HR ..RBI . Runs
.246 --0 -- 4 -- 6

MoVaughnEatsAlot
04-26-12, 08:21 AM
I guess the price on that first HR ball in new Yankee Stadium is raising quickly, it may end up being his only HR as an Angel.

SubwayFanatic
04-26-12, 10:17 AM
I said all offseason that the Angels were very overrated.

Anyway, this article makes you really wonder if Pujols will ever be elite again.

http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/23483/albert-pujols-no-longer-baseballs-best-hitter

ieddyi
04-26-12, 10:47 AM
He hasn't got much protection in that lineup- that's gonna be a permanent problem after he gets out of this slump

Yankee Fan in Boston
04-26-12, 10:57 AM
He hasn't got much protection in that lineup- that's gonna be a permanent problem after he gets out of this slump

His numbers were declining before he signed with the Angels, and they acknowledged it. Now, I have no doubt he'll hit much better than he has been, but I continue to believe that is going to be a regrettable contract.

RhodyYanksFan
04-26-12, 11:28 AM
His numbers were declining before he signed with the Angels, and they acknowledged it. Now, I have no doubt he'll hit much better than he has been, but I continue to believe that is going to be a regrettable contract.

Name me one 10 year contract that isn't regrettable?

effdamets
04-26-12, 11:33 AM
Name me one 10 year contract that isn't regrettable?
While I tend to agree with this... a ten year deal shouldn't be regrettable in year 1.

Even though Albert is only making 12 million this year, his OPS+ right now is 71 and his wRC+ is 51.
That's awful....
They could have gotten that type of production from just about any minor league firstbasman.

Yankee Fan in Boston
04-26-12, 11:44 AM
Name me one 10 year contract that isn't regrettable?

Jeter's.

Actually, is his the only one that came to a conclusion?

I think you can get a lot of value out of a deal, regardless as to whether the end is a write-off. I think Pujols has the potential to be problematic much sooner

MoVaughnEatsAlot
04-26-12, 11:53 AM
Todd Helton's was 11 years and it wasn't horrible (2001-2011). A-Rods first 10 years (2001-2010) while overpaid certainly wasn't bad. And as someone else mentioned, Derek Jeters wasn't bad. That's about it though

Yankee Fan in Boston
04-26-12, 12:08 PM
Todd Helton's was 11 years and it wasn't horrible (2001-2011). A-Rods first 10 years (2001-2010) while overpaid certainly wasn't bad. And as someone else mentioned, Derek Jeters wasn't bad. That's about it though


Winfield was productive throughout, although his Boss wasn't a big fan

BobLoblaw
04-26-12, 12:14 PM
^ :eek: @ Pujols

Avg HR ..RBI . Runs
.246 --0 -- 4 -- 6

I guess I haven't been paying too much attention, but wow I had no idea just how bad he was doing.

35Knucklecurve
04-26-12, 12:36 PM
I didn't realize his OBP has been declining the past 3 years until yesterday. You expect a player jumping from one league to the other to experience some "culture shock", but who would have guessed that Pujols wouldn't have a HR, or much of anything, this far into the season. It's not just a case of hitting it hard, but right at somebody - he's swinging at some awful pitches. I know he's facing guys he hasnt' seen before, but he looks completely lost. The longer this homerless streak goes, the more he's going to press and get into some bad habits, if he hasn't already. I couldn't imagine the Cards letting him go last year, but right now, I'd say they were right. If this decline continues, a ten year deal will be disastrous.

awy
04-26-12, 01:56 PM
the only good angel is a dead angel.

MoVaughnEatsAlot
04-26-12, 01:57 PM
Who believes he's really only 32?

flymick24
04-26-12, 02:04 PM
this thread is going to be become super quiet once he adjusts and starts mashing in about a month

teknetic
04-26-12, 02:22 PM
Who believes he's really only 32?

http://www.snakkle.com/galleries/before-they-were-famous-stars-major-league-mlb-baseball-players-then-and-now/albert-pujols-split/

Unless you believe he was 21 and still in high school.

SubwayFanatic
04-26-12, 02:53 PM
this thread is going to be become super quiet once he adjusts and starts mashing in about a month

So you are ignoring a several year decline, huh?

Yankees1962
04-26-12, 03:12 PM
Who believes he's really only 32?
I always thought he was at least 2 years older than his listed age.

just-blaze
04-26-12, 03:35 PM
this thread is going to be become super quiet once he adjusts and starts mashing in about a month

If mashing=850 OPS than I agree.

Anybody notice that Stanton hasn't hit a HR yet either. 2 elite power hitters start the season off with such streaks and exact OPS'. 601.

The Mayans were right.

snapple
04-26-12, 07:50 PM
If mashing=850 OPS than I agree.

Anybody notice that Stanton hasn't hit a HR yet either. 2 elite power hitters start the season off with such streaks and exact OPS'. 601.

The Mayans were right.

Teixeira hasn't been starting slow, either.

Guys, it was a fun ride while it lasted. let's hope we can squeeze #28 in before we all go.

Blazer
04-26-12, 08:47 PM
So you are ignoring a several year decline, huh?


You mean from OPS + of 192 to 189 to 179 to 143 (with a fractured arm).

sweet_lou_14
04-27-12, 08:00 AM
http://www.snakkle.com/galleries/before-they-were-famous-stars-major-league-mlb-baseball-players-then-and-now/albert-pujols-split/

Unless you believe he was 21 and still in high school.

LOL he looks 34 in the picture on the left.

NY Dude
04-27-12, 08:51 AM
LOL he looks 34 in the picture on the left.

lol.

What's this thing about his age though? When did this start?

SubwayFanatic
04-27-12, 10:45 AM
You mean from OPS + of 192 to 189 to 179 to 143 (with a fractured arm).

Thanks for posting his declining numbers. Way to make my point.

teknetic
04-27-12, 10:57 AM
LOL he looks 34 in the picture on the left.

He looks exactly like the guys (mostly Dominicans/Puerto Ricans/Cubans) my brother graduated from high school with back in 2001. My graduating class a few years later was a lot younger looking.

35Knucklecurve
04-27-12, 11:55 AM
lol.

What's this thing about his age though? When did this start?
I think it's been a topic of conversation since his first year in the majors. He always looked older than his age - and more than just a couple of years. :lol:

ace
04-27-12, 12:26 PM
I've always had age questions about Andruw Jones ... the guy bursts onto the scene at 19, is an elite player through hix early to mid twenties and by 30 is basically done as an every day player?

grizy
04-27-12, 12:32 PM
I've always had age questions about Andruw Jones ... the guy bursts onto the scene at 19, is an elite player through hix early to mid twenties and by 30 is basically done as an every day player?

He just totally stopped caring in his last year with the Braves. It only got worse after he left.

He seems pretty content just making a million or two a year as a bench player doing something he loves. He just doesn't want to put in the spartan kind of work to stay on top of his game.

NY Dude
04-28-12, 07:31 AM
Pujols is really pressing. I bet Pujols wishes he never left St. Louis now.

Snatch Catch
04-28-12, 07:59 AM
lol.

What's this thing about his age though? When did this start?

I can remember reading an ESPN chat with Keith Law (I think) about 6-8 years ago where he mentioned having seen fairly reliable evidence that Pujols was 5 years older than his listed age.

I'm not sure if it was Law or someone else, but it was definitely an ESPN baseball chat.

b-ball-lunachick
04-28-12, 08:09 AM
I think it's been a topic of conversation since his first year in the majors. He always looked older than his age - and more than just a couple of years. :lol:I think it has been in question since then too...I always assumed he was at least a few years later..then again, if I hadn't seen Lebron James in a high school game, I would have believe he was in his late 20s - he just looks older to me. :D

I think Pujols is kind of a jerk, so I wouldn't mind him falling off an offensive cliff but I think he'll still do fine this year...

MoVaughnEatsAlot
04-30-12, 08:21 AM
http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/575176_3921785042510_1216088945_3904257_390386877_n.jpg

nnysiny
04-30-12, 09:24 AM
:lol: nice

1936-1939JoeNLou
04-30-12, 09:47 AM
I think Pujols is kind of a jerk, so I wouldn't mind him falling off an offensive cliff but I think he'll still do fine this year...

You're way off. He is an incredible human being. His work in the Dominican, benefiting poor and sick children, is nothing less than incredible. He is also very humble.

CoyoteYankee
04-30-12, 10:47 AM
I think Pujols is kind of a jerk, so I wouldn't mind him falling off an offensive cliff but I think he'll still do fine this year...

What makes you think this?

SatchelPaigeYankee
04-30-12, 10:48 AM
You're way off. He is an incredible human being. His work in the Dominican, benefiting poor and sick children, is nothing less than incredible. He is also very humble.

seriously. this guy personally adopts children with down syndrome. he's virtually un-unlikable. it's kind of absurd how "good a guy" he is.

awy
04-30-12, 04:37 PM
if pujols is 5 years older than his listed age, oh boy

b-ball-lunachick
04-30-12, 08:21 PM
You're way off. He is an incredible human being. His work in the Dominican, benefiting poor and sick children, is nothing less than incredible. He is also very humble.

I agree that he's done a lot for charity -- many people do a lot of good for charity but they can still act like a jerk at times -- case in point: Schilling.

I don't agree at all that he's humble. He acted like a jerk when he didn't get the MVP and said if you don't take your team to the playoffs, you have no right to get the MVP...he makes comments at times that just sort of rub me the wrong way like when he lost to Glavine in a playoff game, he said he wasn't good at all ...then there was the playoff game last year where he just skipped out on facing the media afterward. say what you will about the media, but he left his teammates there to face them instead of being accountable and the media coverage of this sport and how popular it is, is part of the reason he brings home that big paycheck every week...

anyway, i said he's kind of a jerk - he's certainly not the worst in the sport but like ortiz, i feel he gets a pass all the time when he acts like a jerk...blech.


seriously. this guy personally adopts children with down syndrome. he's virtually un-unlikable. it's kind of absurd how "good a guy" he is.

the way you phrase it, he's adopting children that he doesn't know -- he adopted his now wife's daughter from a previous relationship. as i said above, I never said he didn't do anything good...

b-ball-lunachick
04-30-12, 08:24 PM
What makes you think this?

the last thing that annoyed me was his wife blaming God for him not getting a better offer from the Cardinals. granted that's the wife and not him but :uhh:

HerbieLee20
04-30-12, 10:20 PM
Unless he hits one tonight, it'll be the first time he's ever gone homerless for a month (not counting DL time or whatever of course.)

HerbieLee20
04-30-12, 10:38 PM
the last thing that annoyed me was his wife blaming God for him not getting a better offer from the Cardinals. granted that's the wife and not him but :uhh:

She must have really jinxed him. Checked both Yahoo! and espn -- he's still got a total of 4 RBI (although tonight's game is not over yet) for the whole month?! :eek:

GordonGecko
05-01-12, 11:26 AM
if pujols is 5 years older than his listed age, oh boy

If that were the case and could be proven, then it would be an out for Angels on his contract

awy
05-01-12, 02:51 PM
She must have really jinxed him. Checked both Yahoo! and espn -- he's still got a total of 4 RBI (although tonight's game is not over yet) for the whole month?! :eek:
especially with the whole angels thing

Jersey Yankee
05-01-12, 02:58 PM
the last thing that annoyed me was his wife blaming God for him not getting a better offer from the Cardinals. granted that's the wife and not him but :uhh:
She must belong to some church where a team's owner and GM are of higher being.

If he's getting an off-the-wall wealthy sports contract, I have no idea what she, as his wife, is complaining about.

iWant27
05-01-12, 06:05 PM
AL is lot lot tougher than NL. That's why I think what A-Rod has accomplished is really special, playing his whole career in AL, playing lot more difficult positions than first base and being good at both SS and 3rd base, having a 40-40 season.

Yanksfanintoronto
05-01-12, 06:26 PM
the last thing that annoyed me was his wife blaming God for him not getting a better offer from the Cardinals. granted that's the wife and not him but :uhh:

Yea I remember that!!! She found the Cardinals offer 'insulting'. I think this has been covered before. Also his recent outburst against the Angels hitting coach shows that he can be a jerk at times. He definitely is not the worst athlete out there in terms of attitude but he definitely is not a saint like he's made out to be. Im sure A-Rod and Barry Bonds have been involved in a lot of charities as well.....just doesn't get covered by the selective media.

EDIT: http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-angels-pujols-hatcher-20120501,0,3008956.story

HerbieLee20
05-01-12, 08:27 PM
Also his recent outburst against the Angels hitting coach shows that he can be a jerk at times.
EDIT: http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-angels-pujols-hatcher-20120501,0,3008956.story

Can't fault him for that, IMO. It'd be a dam shame if players can't talk closed-door anymore, especially considering the Mediots' penchant for taking things out of context all the time and making "stories" where there are none. Hatcher was in the wrong, IMO.

Yanksfanintoronto
05-02-12, 12:11 AM
Can't fault him for that, IMO. It'd be a dam shame if players can't talk closed-door anymore, especially considering the Mediots' penchant for taking things out of context all the time and making "stories" where there are none. Hatcher was in the wrong, IMO.

Sure...Im not saying Hatcher was necessarily right but Pujols ended up doing the same thing, in essence, that he criticized Hatcher for. He could have just said 'no comment' and spoken with Hatcher in private. Plus, if anything, Hatcher was praising Pujols for keeping the locker room positive despite the horrifying 1st month. Again....Im not saying Pujols is a monster by any means...but he is not the saint that the media make him seem to be. Part of my annoyance in this matter also lies with the imbalanced media coverage when it comes to stars like him vs A-Rod/Barry Bonds etc.

b-ball-lunachick
05-02-12, 11:15 AM
Sure...Im not saying Hatcher was necessarily right but Pujols ended up doing the same thing, in essence, that he criticized Hatcher for. He could have just said 'no comment' and spoken with Hatcher in private. Plus, if anything, Hatcher was praising Pujols for keeping the locker room positive despite the horrifying 1st month. Again....Im not saying Pujols is a monster by any means...but he is not the saint that the media make him seem to be. Part of my annoyance in this matter also lies with the imbalanced media coverage when it comes to stars like him vs A-Rod/Barry Bonds etc.

Couldn't agree more..

HerbieLee20
05-02-12, 12:46 PM
Sure...Im not saying Hatcher was necessarily right but Pujols ended up doing the same thing, .... Part of my annoyance in this matter also lies with the imbalanced media coverage when it comes to stars like him vs A-Rod/Barry Bonds etc.

Touche' You're right on all counts :)

Yup! The Mediots are the reason they need all keep everything that's meant to be 'close-door' just that. Journalism is extinct, so those bored maroons need to do something with their time and for their paychecks...

HelloNewman
05-06-12, 04:07 PM
Home run No. 1!

hardrain
05-06-12, 05:09 PM
Nice touch there by the Angels to leave the dugout and go into the clubhouse when he circled home...very funny

35Knucklecurve
05-07-12, 08:38 AM
Nice touch there by the Angels to leave the dugout and go into the clubhouse when he circled home...very funny
I don't think I've ever seen a player keep on running when he reached the dugout after a HR. :lol:

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2012_05_06_tormlb_anamlb_1&mode=recap_home&c_id=ana#gid=2012_05_06_tormlb_anamlb_1&mode=video

jcarey
05-07-12, 10:52 AM
Mike Scoscia probably just locked up manager of the year for giving Pujols that day off. He really knows how to push all the right buttons.

jcarey
05-07-12, 11:00 AM
I don't think I've ever seen a player keep on running when he reached the dugout after a HR. :lol:

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2012_05_06_tormlb_anamlb_1&mode=recap_home&c_id=ana#gid=2012_05_06_tormlb_anamlb_1&mode=video

Pulled a Bo Jackson.

teknetic
05-15-12, 12:17 PM
.197/.235/.275
46 OPS+

His May numbers are actually worse than his numbers in April. Only one XBH so far. Someone care to do the math and lay out what type of hot-streak he needs to get on in order to finish around/above .280/30/100?

pleasepassthesoup
05-15-12, 12:18 PM
.197/.235/.275
46 OPS+

His May numbers are actually worse than his numbers in April. Only one XBH so far. Someone care to do the math and lay out what type of hot-streak he needs to get on in order to finish around/above .280/30/100?

I believe he need to hit .875 the rest of the way.

TheInfallibleOne
05-15-12, 12:48 PM
I believe he need to hit .875 the rest of the way.

He would need to hit .308

Albert averages 574 AB per season.

To hit .280, he would need 161 hits on the year.

He has already had 142 AB with 28 hits.

That means he should have about 432 AB left to get (161 - 28) 133 hits.

So, 133 / 432 = .3078703

MoVaughnEatsAlot
05-15-12, 01:01 PM
.197/.235/.275
46 OPS+

His May numbers are actually worse than his numbers in April. Only one XBH so far. Someone care to do the math and lay out what type of hot-streak he needs to get on in order to finish around/above .280/30/100?

Because it's still relatively early, it's not AS bad as you might think. Let's assume he get's 660 PA, which is about his current rate now and based on 155 games played. Out of that, we'll take away 6 for SF (his career average per year) and let's say 60 walks (his current pace is 32 and his career average is 91, so lets guess in the middle), and I'll ignore SH and HBP for now. That puts him at 550 AB, so assuming the above, he'll have to:

Bat .336 for the rest of the season to hit .300
Hit a HR every 14 AB
Drive in a run every 4.5 AB

I think all that is right...

NY Dude
05-15-12, 01:02 PM
He would need to hit .308

Albert averages 574 AB per season.

To hit .280, he would need 161 hits on the year.

He has already had 142 AB with 28 hits.

That means he should have about 432 AB left to get (161 - 28) 133 hits.

So, 133 / 432 = .3078703

Regardless, it still looks like this will be his worse year ever. I wonder if he really is older than his listed age. Not even A-Rod had this kind of drop off in performance.

Big_E
05-16-12, 12:46 PM
.280 would be his worst season ever (.299 last year was his first sub-.300 season)
He averages 40 HR/year

40/574 = 1 HR every 14.35 AB

to get to 40 this year, he would need 39 in 432 AB, or one every 11.07 AB

If he goes 1 every 14.35 AB, he will finish with 31 HR, his worst ever.

to get to his career .326 BA, he would need to get 159 H in 432 AB (.368)

SubwayFanatic
08-21-12, 01:59 PM
I know the pro-Pujols crowd will cherry pick his numbers post-All Star break and point out that "Pujols is back!" But this is looking like it will mark yet another year where his season-end totals are worse than the year before -- just like they have been since post 2008.

At this point, would it even completely shock you if the Angels did not even get one .900 OPS season out of him during his entire contract?

A 1.000 OPS season would seem like a complete miracle.

MoVaughnEatsAlot
08-21-12, 02:10 PM
He might make A-Rods contract look good by the time all is said and done. Also, pretty crazy how a .876 OPS equates to a 141 OPS+, says alot about the decline in offense around the league.