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Snatch Catch
04-24-11, 06:57 PM
Without a doubt in a better position than when I started last season's thread, and that was a pretty optimistic and exciting time.

Hopefully the lockout that is coming has some positive results for the overall direction of the franchise.

Also, the Knicks have the 17th pick in this super weak draft. I'm curious if they actually end up making the selection, or package the pick with some players to get another piece.

Regardless, I'm very excited about the future with Stat and Melo. I have no idea if they'll win a championship eventually, but the next few years should be fun again.

kan_t
04-24-11, 07:06 PM
Also, the Knicks have the 17th pick in this super weak draft. I'm curious if they actually end up making the selection, or package the pick with some players to get another piece.
If this is a super weak draft, no team will give up much for a 17th pick. Also the year Rose being the No.1 pick supposed to be a weak draft and it turned out to be one of the best drafts in recent years. So I think the Knicks should just stick with the pick.

Rocketbooster
04-24-11, 07:39 PM
I'm definitely feeling optimistic about this team. I won't read the newspapers because I know they will be full of negativity and I don't feel that way about this team. Now, let's get Donnie re-signed. A full year of Amare and Melo? Can't wait!

THEBOSS84
04-24-11, 07:49 PM
A tall defensive presence who isn't a 0 on offense is the #1 need.

tdel23
04-24-11, 07:59 PM
Bummer they were swept but it was a fun ride and can finally looking forward to some good basketball again!

SLURPEE
04-24-11, 08:30 PM
I'm definitely feeling optimistic about this team. I won't read the newspapers because I know they will be full of negativity and I don't feel that way about this team. Now, let's get Donnie re-signed. A full year of Amare and Melo? Can't wait!

50 win team.

A real C 55-60 wins.

bcom33
04-24-11, 08:37 PM
A tall defensive presence who isn't a 0 on offense is the #1 need.

A point guard for the future is a close second though.

With that 17th pick, maybe just maybe we can get lucky with one of the raw bigs or PG's who drop.

dabomb2045
04-24-11, 10:49 PM
Good article. Sheridan continues to show he's the only media member with a working brain

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/columns/story?columnist=sheridan_chris&id=6422124

Rocketbooster
04-25-11, 07:22 AM
Good article. Sheridan continues to show he's the only media member with a working brain

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/columns/story?columnist=sheridan_chris&id=6422124

I've always made a point to mention Hahn and Sheridan on here...............Sheridan is too good for ESPN and we're lucky he covers the Knicks.

Snatch Catch
04-25-11, 08:59 AM
Adamek is the best out of all of them.

SLURPEE
04-25-11, 09:04 AM
alanhahn (http://twitter.com/#%21/alanhahn) Alan Hahn



More Paul Pierce: "They earned our respect . . . even though we won four games, they earned our respect." #fb (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23fb)

14 hours ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/alanhahn/status/62292975371288577)


alanhahn (http://twitter.com/#%21/alanhahn) Alan Hahn



Paul Pierce: "They're not that far away. They're going to be a team to be reckoned with next year." #fb (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23fb)

14 hours ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/alanhahn/status/62291930708574209)

alanhahn (http://twitter.com/#%21/alanhahn) Alan Hahn



RT @SpikeLee (http://twitter.com/SpikeLee): We have a Top Core of Melo,Amar'e, CB. Pierce told me himself today "2 more pieces and y'all be straight". Gotta play D

15 hours ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/alanhahn/status/62289229652295680)

alanhahn (http://twitter.com/#%21/alanhahn) Alan Hahn



D'Antoni on judging himself going forward off this series: "That's not a question for me. You'd have to ask Donnie that." #fb (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23fb)

15 hours ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/alanhahn/status/62288960801603584)


alanhahn (http://twitter.com/#%21/alanhahn) Alan Hahn



RT @SpikeLee (http://twitter.com/SpikeLee): We have a Top Core of Melo,Amar'e, CB. Pierce told me himself today "2 more pieces and y'all be straight". Gotta play D

15 hours ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/alanhahn/status/62289229652295680)

alanhahn (http://twitter.com/#%21/alanhahn) Alan Hahn



D'Antoni on Celtics: "They're a better team. We have to get up to that level. " #fb (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23fb)

15 hours ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/alanhahn/status/62288723064270848)

alanhahn (http://twitter.com/#%21/alanhahn) Alan Hahn



More Doc: "As long as everybody stays patient with them, they're going to be OK."

15 hours ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/alanhahn/status/62288461931085824)



alanhahn (http://twitter.com/#%21/alanhahn) Alan Hahn



More Doc: ...They're just going to keep building. You've got to get pieces first, having Stoudemire and Carmelo 2 great pieces to have...

15 hours ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/alanhahn/status/62288403852562433)





alanhahn (http://twitter.com/#%21/alanhahn) Alan Hahn



Doc Rivers on Knicks: "Oh, they're going to be good. I think Mike's one of the best coaches in this game...."

15 hours ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/alanhahn/status/62288116274302976)

Brick Tamland
04-25-11, 10:19 AM
P!ssed about the way 2011 ended but excited for next season!

Marc Gasol please.

JfromJersey
04-25-11, 11:03 AM
Is everyone still sold on Mike D? According to reports Melo did not exactly give him a ringing endorsement, and even though Stat supposedly has his back, he didn't go out of his way to praise him when interviewed after the game. The team was playing basically with Melo and a bunch of role players after CB went down and Stat got hurt, so you really can't blame the sweep on the coach, and the Knicks did show the ability to play some D when push came to shove, but IMO Mike's system is not suited for a team without a Nash (or reasonable facsimile) running the point. What I'm trying to say is that because of D'antoni's limitations as an in-game strategist he needs a guy as smart and talented as Steve Nash running his offense. CB has the smarts, but I don't think he's physically capable anymore of changing his game to suit Mike's system. Now CP3 would be an ideal player for Mike, but who knows when, or if he'll be available. There's no doubt in my mind that if Donnie returns, so will Mike, but if Donnie leaves, all bets are off the table.

Snatch Catch
04-25-11, 11:09 AM
P!ssed about the way 2011 ended but excited for next season!

Marc Gasol please.

I would stay very, very far away from Gasol. He has a solid game, but he doesn't fill the galring need this team has, and that's a defensive presence who rebounds.

gregzzy22
04-25-11, 11:56 AM
Is everyone still sold on Mike D? According to reports Melo did not exactly give him a ringing endorsement, and even though Stat supposedly has his back, he didn't go out of his way to praise him when interviewed after the game. The team was playing basically with Melo and a bunch of role players after CB went down and Stat got hurt, so you really can't blame the sweep on the coach, and the Knicks did show the ability to play some D when push came to shove, but IMO Mike's system is not suited for a team without a Nash (or reasonable facsimile) running the point. What I'm trying to say is that because of D'antoni's limitations as an in-game strategist he needs a guy as smart and talented as Steve Nash running his offense. CB has the smarts, but I don't think he's physically capable anymore of changing his game to suit Mike's system. Now CP3 would be an ideal player for Mike, but who knows when, or if he'll be available. There's no doubt in my mind that if Donnie returns, so will Mike, but if Donnie leaves, all bets are off the table.

I don't think Melo likes D'antoni at all. Most knicks fans don't want Mike gone just because of this 4 game sweep even though he WAS out coached. His rotations were awful all year long and it seemed like he had ZERO set plays in the 4th quarter of close games. Sure I loved winning games we weren't supposed to against teams like the Spurs and the Heat but losing games we WERE supposed to vs teams like the Cavs/Pistons/etc. was plain unacceptable. If you can't motivate the team to get up for the freaking Cavs THREE times...just stop coaching.

With all that said my gut feeling is Dolan won't pay him $6 mil for nothing and retain him for the year

SLURPEE
04-25-11, 12:14 PM
alanhahn Alan Hahn
Amar'e speaks stronger in support of D'Antoni, Carmelo slightly less, but credited D'Antoni for difficult in-season adjustment. #fb


Like most of us, I don't think Melo is a big fan of D'Antoni. Amar'e likes him because he's been his coach for most of his career and D'Antoni pretty much made his career.


You can talk about giving him another. Which is fine with me considering the circumstances.

But giving him another year won't take away his coaching philosophy. He will still be the same coach.

I want Doc Rivers for the 2012/13 season.

Brick Tamland
04-25-11, 12:31 PM
I would stay very, very far away from Gasol. He has a solid game, but he doesn't fill the galring need this team has, and that's a defensive presence who rebounds.


Who would you target?

Yankee Fan in Boston
04-25-11, 12:35 PM
alanhahn Alan Hahn
Amar'e speaks stronger in support of D'Antoni, Carmelo slightly less, but credited D'Antoni for difficult in-season adjustment. #fb


Like most of us, I don't think Melo is a big fan of D'Antoni. Amar'e likes him because he's been his coach for most of his career and D'Antoni pretty much made his career.


You can talk about giving him another. Which is fine with me considering the circumstances.

But giving him another year won't take away his coaching philosophy. He will still be the same coach.

I want Doc Rivers for the 2012/13 season.

I think D'Antoni is back next year. Whatever one thinks of his coaching philosophy, Walsh knew what it was when he hired him. Unless your theory is that he picked him because he knew the team was going to be awful for a couple seasons and figured his style of basketball would at least be entertaining while they sucked, I think he is going to give him the chance to actually coach a year with a reasonably stable team.

SLURPEE
04-25-11, 12:35 PM
The only FA big that I like is Tyson Chandler.

SLURPEE
04-25-11, 12:45 PM
I think D'Antoni is back next year. Whatever one thinks of his coaching philosophy, Walsh knew what it was when he hired him. Unless your theory is that he picked him because he knew the team was going to be awful for a couple seasons and figured his style of basketball would at least be entertaining while they sucked, I think he is going to give him the chance to actually coach a year with a reasonably stable team.

I definitely think D'Antoni was hired for other purposes. Namely Lebron.

Walsh has been around a long time. He knows what it takes to win. I find it hard to believe he thinks this no defense coach is the answer.

Rocketbooster
04-25-11, 12:54 PM
I think D'Antoni is back next year. Whatever one thinks of his coaching philosophy, Walsh knew what it was when he hired him. Unless your theory is that he picked him because he knew the team was going to be awful for a couple seasons and figured his style of basketball would at least be entertaining while they sucked, I think he is going to give him the chance to actually coach a year with a reasonably stable team.

If Walsh is back, so is D'antoni......which is fine. Coach is far from perfect, but look what he had to work with, especially with the injuries in the playoffs. The team is capable of playing very good defense, but they need some better players. Their role players are pretty good - as role players, not as starters.

SLURPEE
04-25-11, 01:10 PM
We'll see just how committed to defense D'Antoni is when he's asked to bring in a defensive coach/coordinator on his staff.

So far it's 0-2. PHX & CHI

Rocketbooster
04-25-11, 01:19 PM
alanhahn (http://twitter.com/#!/alanhahn) Alan Hahn



Billups used a Melo line when talking about expectations: "Getting swept in the first round? I don't do this." #fb (http://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23fb)

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alanhahn (http://twitter.com/#!/alanhahn) Alan Hahn



Chauncey expressed his desire to return to Knicks next season. He has $14.2M reasons why.

57 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/#!/alanhahn/status/62566104496750592)



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alanhahn (http://twitter.com/#!/alanhahn) Alan Hahn



Carmelo says "easily" could have been a 50-win team this year and says he wants to be the best team in the East next season.

1 hour ago (http://twitter.com/#!/alanhahn/status/62550944591777792)



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Amar'e says he would like to see the team add a center and allow him to play his natural position at power forward.

1 hour ago (http://twitter.com/#!/alanhahn/status/62550378260070402)



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alanhahn (http://twitter.com/#!/alanhahn) Alan Hahn



Amar'e on how he once kicked D'Antoni out the door in PHX: "I had more fun playing for Coach D'Antoni than Coach Porter."

2 hours ago (http://twitter.com/#!/alanhahn/status/62549616176017408)



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Amar'e speaks stronger in support of D'Antoni, Carmelo slightly less, but credited D'Antoni for difficult in-season adjustment. #fb (http://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23fb)

2 hours ago (http://twitter.com/#!/alanhahn/status/62549287552286721)

Yankee Fan in Boston
04-25-11, 01:24 PM
I definitely think D'Antoni was hired for other purposes. Namely Lebron.

Walsh has been around a long time. He knows what it takes to win. I find it hard to believe he thinks this no defense coach is the answer.

Definitely possible, but then what was he going to do if LeBron came?

Rocketbooster
04-25-11, 05:15 PM
I'm sorry, but I had to smile:

http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_17917982


[LEFT][COLOR=#000000]Well, Anthony is long gone. Karl is still here.
What's the Nuggets' rationalization for failure this time?
Maybe those fingers of blame pointed at Anthony for lack of toughness and the will to win were misguided.
Kenyon Martin, Nene and J.R. Smith are all part of a dysfunctional unit that chokes in the clutch and spends too much time bickering about bad calls or moping about lack of playing time.
Danilo Gallinari and Wilson Chandler, the players asked to replace Anthony's scoring in the Nuggets' lineup, have been inept offensively. In three playoff contests against Oklahoma City, Chandler and Gallinari have combined to shoot an atrocious 15-of-45 from the field.
In the fourth quarter of Game 3, with the Thunder begging to get beat, I haven't seen so many scared guys gazing at their shoes in a gym since the last time I attended a middle-school dance.
The Nuggets were wallflowers, afraid to bust a move or take their best shot. Denver made two field goals in the opening 10 minutes of the final period. And guess what? Melo wasn't walking through that door.

SLURPEE
04-25-11, 06:15 PM
I'm sorry, but I had to smile:

http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_17917982


Sounds like they got a lot of Landry Fields. lol

SLURPEE
04-25-11, 10:05 PM
Landry booed at YS.

andyrautins1:
Tix to Yankee stadium: Free (lol) Foam fingers: 12$ Chicken tenders and drinks: 30$ Me n Fields getting booed on the jumbotron... Priceless Quote:
<table border="0" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr> <td class="alt2" style="border: 1px inset;"> andyrautins1:
Haha it's all good.. nothing but love for the NYY faithful.. Having a blast.. Let's get this win Yanks </td> </tr> </tbody></table>
Quote:
landryfields:
Lol.. Oh man.. You just gotta love NY..

Yankeeah
04-26-11, 09:15 AM
Ha, tough crowd.

Panamaniac42
04-26-11, 09:18 AM
Landry booed at YS.

andyrautins1:
Tix to Yankee stadium: Free (lol) Foam fingers: 12$ Chicken tenders and drinks: 30$ Me n Fields getting booed on the jumbotron... Priceless Quote:
<table border="0" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr> <td class="alt2" style="border: 1px inset;"> andyrautins1:
Haha it's all good.. nothing but love for the NYY faithful.. Having a blast.. Let's get this win Yanks </td> </tr> </tbody></table>
Quote:
landryfields:
Lol.. Oh man.. You just gotta love NY..

In a way, it's good to see him getting a taste of the other side of NY. It can't all be roses and making silly TV shows with your best buddy. Hopefully he grinds it out this offseason and comes back ready to take the next step this fall. Overall, a good first year for the kid and certainly more than I ever expected.

LongLiveBernie51!
04-26-11, 09:50 AM
In a way, it's good to see him getting a taste of the other side of NY. It can't all be roses and making silly TV shows with your best buddy. Hopefully he grinds it out this offseason and comes back ready to take the next step this fall. Overall, a good first year for the kid and certainly more than I ever expected.

Agreed.

Fields is a rookie. Give him some time to adjust to a longer NBA season, the pressure of the playoffs, and playing with 2 superstars before we all pile on and declare him a bust. He was in his groove before the trade and it seems Fields had the toughest time adjusting out of all of them. That happens to rookies who have to stay out of the way of 2 players who want the ball.

Now Toney Douglas...that's another story. The PG experiment needs to end.
.

tjbrady
04-26-11, 09:54 AM
Yes the pg experiment needs to end....Knicks need to find an actual PG someone who can get the offense going.....I like Douglas off the bench, though

Brick Tamland
04-26-11, 10:15 AM
Yes the pg experiment needs to end....Knicks need to find an actual PG someone who can get the offense going.....I like Douglas off the bench, though


He was brutal in that series but yeah, off the bench I suppose he's an asset.

GimeMoMuny
04-26-11, 01:55 PM
Knicks' Billups wants to return

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/rumors/post/Knicks-Billups-wants-to-return?urn=nba-348025


The Knicks could bring back the 34-year-old for $14.2 million next season or buy him out for $3.7 million, according to ESPN New York. And the decision needs to be made in the next five days.

Billups, who came to the Knicks at the trading deadline along with Carmelo Anthony(notes) from the Denver Nuggets, met with coach Mike D'Antoni and team president Donnie Walsh on Monday and made it clear he'd like to be back for a full season in New York, the site reports.

"We'll all know shortly but I'm hoping to be back. I want to be back. I loved being a Knick this year -- it was a great time. I would love to be a part of bringing championship-caliber basketball back to the city,"

GimeMoMuny
04-26-11, 02:02 PM
I would stay very, very far away from Gasol. He has a solid game, but he doesn't fill the galring need this team has, and that's a defensive presence who rebounds.http://www.northjersey.com/sports/pro_sports/basketball/120681369_Five_off-season_issues_for_Knicks.html


4. Center their attention: Ronny Turiaf is a backup at best, Jared Jeffries a wild-card bench player and Shelden Williams has kicked around since Atlanta misspent 2006’s fifth overall pick on him. Marc Gasol is clearly the best free-agent option (unless Memphis’ postseason success prompts his re-signing) — but do the Knicks spend potential 2012 cap space on him a year early?

Adamek's take, fwiw, Kev.

Kev What Cracks My Dude!?

Snatch Catch
04-26-11, 02:20 PM
http://www.northjersey.com/sports/pro_sports/basketball/120681369_Five_off-season_issues_for_Knicks.html



Adamek's take, fwiw, Kev.

Kev What Cracks My Dude!?

Chilling, man! About to send you a PM...

dabomb2045
04-26-11, 02:50 PM
Bringing back Billups is a no-brainer IMO. Its a one year option....and if he's not on the team, who's running the point? Do you really want Douglas playing 40 minutes a night as the starting PG? And forget the pipe dream of trading for CP3 now.

Billups is the only legit option for PG next year

Yankeeah
04-26-11, 03:04 PM
Bringing back Billups is a no-brainer IMO. Its a one year option....and if he's not on the team, who's running the point? Do you really want Douglas playing 40 minutes a night as the starting PG? And forget the pipe dream of trading for CP3 now.

Billups is the only legit option for PG next year

The issue with Billups is the money. If we bring him on, how much do we really have left to spend on a glaring need: a defense/rebound guy

kan_t
04-26-11, 03:20 PM
The issue with Billups is the money. If we bring him on, how much do we really have left to spend on a glaring need: a defense/rebound guy
Which defense/rebound guy you want? Marc Gasol is a restricted FA and Tyson Chandler is playing in Dallas. That means the Knicks need to compete with Cuban. Those two signings are far from guarantee and if you let Billups go, the Knicks may find that they have two holes instead of one after finishing the off-season.

SLURPEE
04-26-11, 03:29 PM
I keep hearing how 'Cuban won't let Chandler go'.

This isn't baseball. There's a cap. And it's going to be even more strict after the new CBA.

So I don't know how Cuban can pay him what he wants.




I'd take Chandler with Douglas at the point. And outside chance of getting Paul.

If you're bringing Billups back, to me that means Walsh really thinks he can land someone big (Paul?) via trade with that expiring contract next season.

I know there's no great PG option other than him but I rather have a big. Only Chandler though. I don't like Dalembert or DeAndre Jordan. The latter is not THAT proven.

kan_t
04-26-11, 03:40 PM
I keep hearing how 'Cuban won't let Chandler go'.

This isn't baseball. There's a cap. And it's going to be even more strict after the new CBA.

So I don't know how Cuban can pay him what he wants.


There is cap. But it really doesn't affect that as Chandler is on his team. The only concern is that Cuban doesn't want to pay too much luxury tax. But I don't think he really cares. If he cares, he probably would trade away Haywood and lower his $90M payroll this year.

This year Dallas payroll - $90M
Next year Dallas payroll stands at $61M

Cuban can easily pay Chandler what he wants.

Yankee Fan in Boston
04-26-11, 03:56 PM
There is cap. But it really doesn't affect that as Chandler is on his team. The only concern is that Cuban doesn't want to pay too much luxury tax. But I don't think he really cares. If he cares, he probably would trade away Haywood and lower his $90M payroll this year.

This year Dallas payroll - $90M
Next year Dallas payroll stands at $61M

Cuban can easily pay Chandler what he wants.

How do you possibly know that when there is no labor agreement for next year?

kan_t
04-26-11, 04:04 PM
How do you possibly know that when there is no labor agreement for next year?
A lockout then.

If there is a hard cap, the cap won't be implemented next year. The Lakers have a $92M payroll without adding any player next season. Even if there is a new soft cap, I doubt the owners want to restrict their ability to re-sign their own players. It doesn't make any sense for them.

Snatch Catch
04-26-11, 05:06 PM
Which defense/rebound guy you want? Marc Gasol is a restricted FA and Tyson Chandler is playing in Dallas

I'll wait patiently for you to retract the label of "defense/rebound guy" you accidentally placed on Gasol there.

JohnnyEllis
04-26-11, 05:14 PM
Headline should be, "Billups wants to make $14.2 million instead of much less."

kan_t
04-26-11, 05:28 PM
I'll wait patiently for you to retract the label of "defense/rebound guy" you accidentally placed on Gasol there.
Yes, you're right. I just thought of best FA Centers when I wrote that.

Yankee Fan in Boston
04-26-11, 07:55 PM
A lockout then.

If there is a hard cap, the cap won't be implemented next year. The Lakers have a $92M payroll without adding any player next season. Even if there is a new soft cap, I doubt the owners want to restrict their ability to re-sign their own players. It doesn't make any sense for them.

I agree that they'll likely have to have some kind of transition, but my point was that no one can speak knowledgeably about where the cap will be and what that will look like -- it's all speculation at this point.

As for the other part of your post, they are going to have to do something to restrict spending over the cap or the owners aren't going to be able to control costs. Otherwise, there really isn't any sense to what they are supposedly going to do.

SLURPEE
04-26-11, 10:20 PM
Our future PG has 8 assist after 1. :ga-ga:

dabomb2045
04-26-11, 10:29 PM
I love how CP3 is playing right now. My only question is this (and I think its a fair one)...can we get this version of CP3 over the course of a full year? Or would we get the guy we saw this reg season who threw in a great game every now and then, but too often was almost invisible?

Mr.Muhozi
04-27-11, 07:09 AM
I was doing the New York daily news Keep Him Or dump him poll, seems like 68% of Knicks fans want to dump Carmelo. Carmelo is going to be the new A-rod is seems.

RYMASTER or Ryan_Yankees
04-27-11, 07:16 AM
I was doing the New York daily news Keep Him Or dump him poll, seems like 68% of Knicks fans want to dump Carmelo. Carmelo is going to be the new A-rod is seems.

:roflmao:

Panamaniac42
04-27-11, 10:34 AM
I was doing the New York daily news Keep Him Or dump him poll, seems like 68% of Knicks fans want to dump Carmelo. Carmelo is going to be the new A-rod is seems.


I know a few clowns in that camp. And I tell them to re-watch Game 2 where not only did he take over and make ridiculous shot after ridiculous shot, but he was a monster on the boards and found/trusted open teammates despite them being the scrubs that they are. I know I didn't even need to just write that because nobody in this thread is a f*cking idiot (now that Theo's been banned).

bcom33
04-27-11, 11:00 AM
I was doing the New York daily news Keep Him Or dump him poll, seems like 68% of Knicks fans want to dump Carmelo. Carmelo is going to be the new A-rod is seems.

I'm pretty sure a lot of that has to be based on Carmelo's defense. But from my view, he's really a better defender [when's he tries] than Amar'e. Amar'e is a swinging gate on defense. At least as much as Toney Douglas was a swinging date for Rondo in this series, Amar'e during the season was that way every time he got an early foul.

LongLiveBernie51!
04-27-11, 11:02 AM
I know a few clowns in that camp. And I tell them to re-watch Game 2 where not only did he take over and make ridiculous shot after ridiculous shot, but he was a monster on the boards and found/trusted open teammates despite them being the scrubs that they are. I know I didn't even need to just write that because nobody in this thread is a f*cking idiot (now that Theo's been banned).

Exactly. The playoff performance of Carmelo mixed with an added bonus of the Nuggets looking lost without him in the playoffs should put a permanent end to any angst with regards to the Carmelo trade.

THEBOSS84
04-27-11, 01:55 PM
FisolaNYDN (http://twitter.com/#%21/FisolaNYDN) Frank Isola



The Knicks have decided to pick up the one-year, $14.2 million option on Chauncey Billups' contract, The Daily News has learned.

Snatch Catch
04-27-11, 02:10 PM
Good. At least we know they have common sense.

RhodyYanksFan
04-27-11, 02:37 PM
Sooooo why haven't they picked up Walsh & D'Antoni yet?

dabomb2045
04-27-11, 03:35 PM
So I just read an article that talks about how Zach Randolph is more of a franchise player then Amare is. And no....I didnt make this up....I couldnt make up something that ridiculous.

THEBOSS84
04-27-11, 03:40 PM
Already having friends mention to me a Billups+Amare for Howard+ trade next season....get ready folks.

(I'd drive Amare to the airport, obviously)

dabomb2045
04-27-11, 03:41 PM
Yeah that trade would def never happen

Rocketbooster
04-27-11, 04:35 PM
So I just read an article that talks about how Zach Randolph is more of a franchise player then Amare is. And no....I didnt make this up....I couldnt make up something that ridiculous.

After what Amare did this year, that writer could say such a thing? Who was it? Lupica, lol?

Picking up Billups means Walsh is coming back and so is D'antoni. Billups is a nice guy and a leader, but I hope this was just bad luck with his injuries and that next year it's not going to be more of the same.

Yankee Tripper
04-27-11, 05:03 PM
Picking up Billups means Walsh is coming back and so is D'antoni. Billups is a nice guy and a leader, but I hope this was just bad luck with his injuries and that next year it's not going to be more of the same.

wrt to Billups. He was a very, very good (maybe even elite) PG in the league for many years and is still a good player. It's just that he's going to be 35, has lost a step and injuries are likely to be more common, not let common as his career continues. Not to mention he makes a pretty fair chink of change. He might even be a good fit for some teams with a really strong half court game, but he doesn't fit D'antoni's style of ball going forward, 3 or 4 years ago sure but not next year.

dabomb2045
04-27-11, 06:04 PM
After what Amare did this year, that writer could say such a thing? Who was it? Lupica, lol?

Picking up Billups means Walsh is coming back and so is D'antoni. Billups is a nice guy and a leader, but I hope this was just bad luck with his injuries and that next year it's not going to be more of the same.

It was some idiot on ESPN....it was an insider article otherwise i'd post it here. Believe me though, you arent missing much.

Rocketbooster
04-27-11, 06:31 PM
It was some idiot on ESPN....it was an insider article otherwise i'd post it here. Believe me though, you arent missing much.

Thanks for not posting it, lol - I wouldn't even want to read a word of it. "Some idiot" could describe almost everyone at ESPN, lol.

I just love Amare - he's not perfect, but I am so happy he is on this team.

dabomb2045
04-27-11, 07:17 PM
Btw Sheridan was speculating today that the Knicks might consider bring back Chandler w/the MLE, or some kind of sign and trade....and that Chandler really wants to come back here and he might take less money to do it. Supposedly he is very unhappy in Denver....I did notice his playing time has gone down a ton lately.

Rocketbooster
04-27-11, 10:57 PM
Sounds like they got a lot of Landry Fields. lol

I think I smiled too soon; the Nuggets look like they are about to tie the series.

AMYanks
04-27-11, 11:18 PM
I think I smiled too soon; the Nuggets look like they are about to tie the series.

They'd still be down 3-2, but it looks like OKC is going to win.

Rocketbooster
04-27-11, 11:29 PM
They'd still be down 3-2, but it looks like OKC is going to win.

I just saw that now..........yay (I guess. I know it's ridiculously silly to be happy about Denver losing)

dabomb2045
04-27-11, 11:50 PM
I just saw that now..........yay (I guess. I know it's ridiculously silly to be happy about Denver losing)

I could care less about Denver itself....but I was rooting for them to lose due to Karl's comments. You know I bet he wished he had Melo in this series, esp when 3 of the 5 games were decided in the last few minutes. OKC has Durant as their go to guy. Denver surely could have used one.

JohnnyEllis
04-27-11, 11:54 PM
Btw Sheridan was speculating today that the Knicks might consider bring back Chandler w/the MLE, or some kind of sign and trade....and that Chandler really wants to come back here and he might take less money to do it. Supposedly he is very unhappy in Denver....I did notice his playing time has gone down a ton lately.

Would love that.

Rocketbooster
04-28-11, 07:19 AM
I could care less about Denver itself....but I was rooting for them to lose due to Karl's comments. You know I bet he wished he had Melo in this series, esp when 3 of the 5 games were decided in the last few minutes. OKC has Durant as their go to guy. Denver surely could have used one.

I never cared about Denver before, but yes - Karl has ticked me off since the trade. Really, I just didn't want to have to hear how the Knicks made a huge mistake giving up players that the media called mere role players before the trade, lol

Yankees13
04-29-11, 10:22 AM
Would love that.
I'd love it if they get a Center and Wilson is the 6th man. Not trying to see him start at the 4, which I'm afraid is what will happen.

JohnnyEllis
04-29-11, 11:04 AM
I'd love it if they get a Center and Wilson is the 6th man. Not trying to see him start at the 4, which I'm afraid is what will happen.

Agreed with the 6th man scenario. After watching Amar'e break down late this year, I doubt they'll go the route you fear.

AMYanks
04-29-11, 02:22 PM
Here's some good news.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2011/04/29/2011-04-29_knicks_seeking_more_d.html#ixzz1Kuh6SIpz


As Donnie Walsh seeks to regain full autonomy within the Knicks organization, Mike D'Antoni could be losing some of his power on the Knicks' bench.

According to several sources, the front office will encourage D'Antoni to revamp his coaching staff to hire a defensive coach. In the past, D'Antoni has been reluctant to seek outside help, most famously refusing Steve Kerr's request four years ago to hire Tom Thibodeau in Phoenix. Thibodeau landed in Boston in 2007, and helped the Celtics win the title three seasons ago. He now is head coach of the top-seeded Bulls.

D'Antoni is under contract through next season and is expected to be retained after leading the Knicks to their first postseason appearance in seven years. However, under D'Antoni the Knicks have been among the league's weaker defensive teams, which is something Walsh would like to change.

Memphis assistant Dave Joerger, Orlando's Steve Clifford, Portland's Bill Bayno and Chicago's Ron Adams are all regarded as top defensive coaches. Another possibility for the Knicks is Thibodeau's replacement in Boston, Lawrence Frank, the former Nets' coach. Frank's contract expires this summer.

A move to hire another assistant does not necessarily mean one of D'Antoni's current assistants will be removed. Phil Weber, Dan D'Antoni, Herb Williams and the highly regarded Ken Atkinson are all expected to be retained. D'Antoni, who is expected to acquiesce to management, has made it clear that he wants to remain in New York

Yankee Fan in Boston
04-29-11, 02:26 PM
Here's some good news.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2011/04/29/2011-04-29_knicks_seeking_more_d.html#ixzz1Kuh6SIpz

Yes, I like the sound of that

RYMASTER or Ryan_Yankees
04-29-11, 04:04 PM
Good news.

Rocketbooster
04-29-11, 04:41 PM
Absolutely like the sound of that. Let Mike do what he does best and have someone else concentrate on the defensive end of things. It works in football and it apparently works in the NBA. You have to subjegate your ego a bit, but then it's all about the team and not the coach.

SLURPEE
04-29-11, 05:20 PM
Let's see does D'Antoni cooperate. The Bulls and Suns have asked him before and he said no.

I don't think he wants to do it because it limits his offensive system.

You can't play the way he wants to on offense and still have a stellar D.

I'm not even sure can the D be even average.

IIRC, the best the Suns finished was 13th on D.

For this to work, he's going to have to adjust his offense. More half court.

And to be honest, I haven't seen any good half court set plays from him.

Mike D'Antoni seems to have a certain system (run & gun) and not much else.

grizy
04-29-11, 07:12 PM
If Dantoni must stay (likely), I hope we cram a defensive coach down his throat.

RYMASTER or Ryan_Yankees
04-29-11, 10:30 PM
Former Knick Zach Randolph has completely taken over this Memphis/San Antonio game.

Grumble.

THEBOSS84
04-29-11, 10:38 PM
Former Knick Zach Randolph has completely taken over this Memphis/San Antonio game.

Grumble.

Anything he threw in the air went in. Amazing performance.

dabomb2045
04-29-11, 10:48 PM
Former Knick Zach Randolph has completely taken over this Memphis/San Antonio game.

Grumble.

He's always been a great scorer. He defintely seems to be giving a better effort all-around though....guess you gotta credit the Memphis coaching staff for getting this out of him.

Rocketbooster
05-01-11, 10:02 AM
http://www.newsday.com/sports/columnists/alan-hahn/knicks-fix-1.2848793



Last summer, Chris Paul raised a toast to joining Stoudemire and Anthony in New York to form "our own Big Three" to take on LeBron James (http://www.newsday.com/topics/LeBron_James) and Co. A year from now, if he opts out of his contract, he'll get that chance. But does he really want it?
Late last summer, Paul started grumbling about the direction his current team, the New Orleans Hornets (http://www.newsday.com/topics/New_Orleans_Hornets), was headed. The franchise is still looking for an owner and is currently being run by the league. Paul, 26, said he wanted to be convinced that the team, in the league's smallest market, could afford to build a championship-caliber team around him.
It appears, at the very least, they found a championship-caliber coach in Monty Williams, who was hired at the start of the season. The Hornets certainly overachieved by not only making the playoffs, but taking the defending-champion Lakers to six tough games in the first round.
"They are most definitely serious about winning," Paul said of the Hornets after the team was eliminated.
But how serious can they be? That remains to be seen. Meanwhile, Paul should enjoy the quiet offseason while he can. After LeBron (http://www.newsday.com/topics/LeBron_James) in 2009 and Carmelo in 2010, it's now his turn to be the focus of trade speculation.


This could all be a bag of hot air and maybe Paul's comments are just like Lee's about TX, but this is at least one reason why I'm not counting on the man coming here. If he comes, great, but I'm not going to set myself up for disappointment.

SLURPEE
05-01-11, 03:24 PM
Paul's not staying in NO. lol

He's just saying the right things.

dabomb2045
05-01-11, 03:27 PM
Kinda painful to watch Zach Randolph now....the guy is such a different player then he was in NY. The effort exerted on both efforts of the floor, on the glass is consistent....and you see leadership skills from him now.

No more "give me the ball, let me go 1 on 1, I'll score my 20+ no matter how many shots it takes and thats all I care about"

The ability to play this way has always been there for him, but Memphis has fully tapped into it while NY (and Portland) never did.

SLURPEE
05-01-11, 03:47 PM
Boston looks terrible.

Heat in 5.

They didn't look great at times against the Knicks.

You have to think a healthy Knick team takes Boston to 6 or 7 games.

Throw in better coaching and Fields being visible, maybe they win the series.

Rocketbooster
05-01-11, 10:06 PM
Boston looks terrible.

Heat in 5.

They didn't look great at times against the Knicks.

You have to think a healthy Knick team takes Boston to 6 or 7 games.

Throw in better coaching and Fields being visible, maybe they win the series.

I'm trying to ignore that series because the Heat look like they really could win the title and I hate them.

I'm not a D'antoni hater and I'm not going to blame him for that series loss. The Knicks aren't as good as the Celtics - certainly not with 2/3 stars rendered useleess. Fields was awful since the trade, so he was never going to be a real factor.

SLURPEE
05-01-11, 10:29 PM
Really sucks being a Knick fan for this year's playoff.

You got the Heat, Bulls and Celtics.

I can't root for either of those teams.

Sucks that one will be in the Finals. barf

Rocketbooster
05-01-11, 10:36 PM
Really sucks being a Knick fan for this year's playoff.

You got the Heat, Bulls and Celtics.

I can't root for either of those teams.

Sucks that one will be in the Finals. barf

Your last word says it all, lol. I'll have to root for someone in the West to win........:mad:

Yankee Fan in Boston
05-01-11, 10:54 PM
Really sucks being a Knick fan for this year's playoff.

You got the Heat, Bulls and Celtics.

I can't root for either of those teams.

Sucks that one will be in the Finals. barf

I have no problem rooting for Chicago to win the East given the competition

Snatch Catch
05-02-11, 09:23 AM
I have no problem rooting for Chicago to win the East given the competition


Give me Miami all day everyday.

It's that fans that drive my dislike of a team as much as anything.

Some of you may not remember how annoying it was to see Bulls Starter gear everywhere and have to listen to the bandwagon jackasses wearing it.

JfromJersey
05-02-11, 11:17 AM
Boston looks terrible.

Heat in 5.

They didn't look great at times against the Knicks.

You have to think a healthy Knick team takes Boston to 6 or 7 games.

Throw in better coaching and Fields being visible, maybe they win the series.

LOL the Knicks softened up the Celts for the Heat.

SLURPEE
05-02-11, 12:22 PM
For those wondering what Pierce said to Wade....


"I told Wade I will f*** his mom like how my man D West did his mans, that's why I got ejected."

http://twitter.com/#!/search/Wade%20I%20will%20****%20his%20mom%20like%20how%20my%20man

Pretty funny. lol

LongLiveBernie51!
05-02-11, 03:27 PM
For those wondering what Pierce said to Wade....


"I told Wade I will f*** his mom like how my man D West did his mans, that's why I got ejected."

http://twitter.com/#!/search/Wade%20I%20will%20****%20his%20mom%20like%20how%20my%20man (http://twitter.com/#%21/search/Wade%20I%20will%20****%20his%20mom%20like%20how%20my%20man)

Pretty funny. lol


Stay Classy Pierce!!!

Snatch Catch
05-02-11, 05:07 PM
Proof of Adamek being the best best Knicks beat writer out there.

Berman writes one of those irrational sh!t stitrring articles entitled "what if the Knicks built around Crawford and Randolph?" Berman then tweets a link to it.

Adamek replies:


@bergenadamek: What if they kept Steph? Isiah? And ... enough RT@NYPost_Berman What if Knicks had built around Randolph, Crawford? http://t.co/aSuMbFm

Philip Hughes Fan
05-02-11, 07:54 PM
Even if you could, why would anyone *want* to build around Crawford? He's expensive and not very good.

At least Randolph has played like a top PF. Memphis deserves credit for taking the chance and getting the most out of him, but who knows if the Knicks could have done so.

Yankees13
05-02-11, 08:16 PM
For those wondering what Pierce said to Wade....


"I told Wade I will f*** his mom like how my man D West did his mans, that's why I got ejected."

http://twitter.com/#!/search/Wade%20I%20will%20****%20his%20mom%20like%20how%20my%20man (http://twitter.com/#%21/search/Wade%20I%20will%20****%20his%20mom%20like%20how%20my%20man)

Pretty funny. lol
Wow, did he really say that, must have taken it down real quick, haven't seen mention of it anywhere. I'll admit I laughed but Pierce is just a piece of trash.

Edit: Didn't see the discussion in the other thread. Still wouldn't surprise me if that's what he said though. Had to be some foul sh*t to get tossed.

SLURPEE
05-03-11, 03:11 PM
Pierce is douche-y enough to say something like that.


Now the cherry on top would have been Gloria having West love child. Giving Lebron a lil bro or sis.
Awww. :D

Yankees13
05-03-11, 08:37 PM
CP3 wearing a Yankee hat courtside. :D

tjbrady
05-03-11, 11:49 PM
CP3 wearing a Yankee hat courtside. :D

yeah....lets not get our hopes up so did lebron

JfromJersey
05-04-11, 11:10 AM
Seems like the only way they clear enough cap space for Chris Paul in 2012, is to not spend much to improve next year, which means not bringing in someone worthwhile to play the pivot.
The likelihood of a good big man falling to us in the draft is remote.

Brick Tamland
05-04-11, 02:50 PM
Seems like the only way they clear enough cap space for Chris Paul in 2012, is to not spend much to improve next year, which means not bringing in someone worthwhile to play the pivot.
The likelihood of a good big man falling to us in the draft is remote.

I think I read on SI today that Walsh's number 1 target this off season is going to be Dalembert, at the expense of potentially being in the running for Paul/Williams/Howard next season so all may not be lost.

Rocketbooster
05-04-11, 06:45 PM
I think I read on SI today that Walsh's number 1 target this off season is going to be Dalembert, at the expense of potentially being in the running for Paul/Williams/Howard next season so all may not be lost.

All may not be lost - unless you want Paul.

SLURPEE
05-04-11, 09:34 PM
Walsh isn't doing that.

Dalembert over Paul? lol

He should be fired.

He's not even a top 5 C. In a league where that position is poor.

I think this is just speculation. No one knows what Walsh is actually going to do.

You just don't blow your cap space on Samuel Dalembert. Especially knowing how patient Walsh is and how much he's been talking about having cap space for 2012.

Re Dalembert: That's something Isaiah would do.

SLURPEE
05-05-11, 09:48 AM
Carmelo on the View:

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Snatch Catch
05-05-11, 10:00 AM
Walsh isn't doing that.

Dalembert over Paul? lol

He should be fired.

He's not even a top 5 C. In a league where that position is poor.

I think this is just speculation. No one knows what Walsh is actually going to do.

You just don't blow your cap space on Samuel Dalembert. Especially knowing how patient Walsh is and how much he's been talking about having cap space for 2012.

Re Dalembert: That's something Isaiah would do.

The flips side is that the Knicks don't need a top 5 center, they just need a true starting center who cleans the boards. Dalembert is absolutely that.

Rocketbooster
05-05-11, 11:52 AM
The flips side is that the Knicks don't need a top 5 center, they just need a true starting center who cleans the boards. Dalembert is absolutely that.

But they can't have Dalembert and still have a shot at Paul. What sucks is that there would be no guarantee they get Paul anyway, so does the team want to play the Lebron game again? Sit around and do nothing so they can keep their cap space "in case"?

Yankee Fan in Boston
05-05-11, 11:58 AM
But they can't have Dalembert and still have a shot at Paul. What sucks is that there would be no guarantee they get Paul anyway, so does the team want to play the Lebron game again? Sit around and do nothing so they can keep their cap space "in case"?

Look at the bright side -- when there's no labor deal and they miss the season, all these guys will be up for FA at the same time.

Snatch Catch
05-05-11, 12:24 PM
But they can't have Dalembert and still have a shot at Paul. What sucks is that there would be no guarantee they get Paul anyway, so does the team want to play the Lebron game again? Sit around and do nothing so they can keep their cap space "in case"?

I actually don't think this sucks. I think it's fortunate. I think it allows the Knicks to have a much better read of the situation once the new CBA is ironed out, and enables them to make moves.

If, when the CBA is ironed out, it's a similar situation to the one we have now, I go for Dalembert.

If it's a new system that increases the odds of CP3 getting here, then perhaps I re-evaluate and wait.

Rocketbooster
05-08-11, 10:22 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2011/05/08/2011-05-08_knicks_eye_star_scenario.html\


LOL So now the Knicks need a 3rd superstar? Bosch is a superstar? I would love any of these players, but to say they need a 3rd superstar or they are relegated to irrelevancy is kind of stupid. How many superstars do the Bulls have? 1.

As to Walsh, I'm not sure what's taking him so long when it's clear Dolan wants to re-sign him. If he wants to stay, sign. If he wants to leave, leave. Having our assistant GM handling GM duties is not ideal.

yankeefan122
05-08-11, 10:56 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2011/05/08/2011-05-08_knicks_eye_star_scenario.html\


LOL So now the Knicks need a 3rd superstar? Bosch is a superstar? I would love any of these players, but to say they need a 3rd superstar or they are relegated to irrelevancy is kind of stupid. How many superstars do the Bulls have? 1.

As to Walsh, I'm not sure what's taking him so long when it's clear Dolan wants to re-sign him. If he wants to stay, sign. If he wants to leave, leave. Having our assistant GM handling GM duties is not ideal.

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/282730?eref=twitter_feed

Rumor is that the Lakers, Knicks, and Nets are the favorites.

Knicks would try to trade Amare to get Howard. I'm well aware that Amare was born and raised in Florida. Makes sense for the Knicks as Amare's knees are a major risk but why would a capped out Magic team want Amare. Plus Amare helped put the Knicks back on the map.

I'd guess Howard to the Lakers. CP3 to Knicks. DWill to Nets and he signs after they trade for some wing player.

Rocketbooster
05-08-11, 01:47 PM
http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/282730?eref=twitter_feed

Rumor is that the Lakers, Knicks, and Nets are the favorites.

Knicks would try to trade Amare to get Howard. I'm well aware that Amare was born and raised in Florida. Makes sense for the Knicks as Amare's knees are a major risk but why would a capped out Magic team want Amare. Plus Amare helped put the Knicks back on the map.

I'd guess Howard to the Lakers. CP3 to Knicks. DWill to Nets and he signs after they trade for some wing player.

I'm more concerned about Walsh than some dumb Howard trade that will never happen. He's not interested in coming to NY anyway - he's interested in NJ, though - and I have no desire to trade Amare. I still don't get why Deron Williams would want to play for the Nets, but that's his choice.

NYJets37
05-08-11, 02:09 PM
I'm more concerned about Walsh than some dumb Howard trade that will never happen. He's not interested in coming to NY anyway - he's interested in NJ, though - and I have no desire to trade Amare. I still don't get why Deron Williams would want to play for the Nets, but that's his choice.


I doubt he's interested in the Nets but not the Knicks. Nets are getting mentioned more because they are more likely to have room and because everyone thinks the Knicks are going after Paul. Not saying he wouldn't be interested in the Nets, but I think it's too early to tell where he wants to play the most.

dabomb2045
05-08-11, 05:50 PM
It will never happen....but if you can trade Amare for Howard....you do it in a second. I love Amare but Howard dominates games on both ends of the floor.

Yankees1962
05-08-11, 05:56 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2011/05/08/2011-05-08_knicks_eye_star_scenario.html\


LOL So now the Knicks need a 3rd superstar? Bosch is a superstar? I would love any of these players, but to say they need a 3rd superstar or they are relegated to irrelevancy is kind of stupid. How many superstars do the Bulls have? 1.

As to Walsh, I'm not sure what's taking him so long when it's clear Dolan wants to re-sign him. If he wants to stay, sign. If he wants to leave, leave. Having our assistant GM handling GM duties is not ideal.
It's funny how you give Dolan the benefit of the doubt, but won't do the same for Walsh, especially considering Dolan's poor track record as the Knicks owner.

Rocketbooster
05-08-11, 06:46 PM
It's funny how you give Dolan the benefit of the doubt, but won't do the same for Walsh, especially considering Dolan's poor track record as the Knicks owner.

What are you talking about? There were reports all over the place Dolan wanted to re-sign Donnie. All we heard from Donnie is that he wanted to complete the job he started. Ok, then what's the hold up?

Yankees1962
05-08-11, 06:58 PM
What are you talking about? There were reports all over the place Dolan wanted to re-sign Donnie. All we heard from Donnie is that he wanted to complete the job he started. Ok, then what's the hold up?
Do you know what you are talking about? Apparently, Walsh doesn't trust Dolan on certain management issues which I don't blame him for and wants certain assurances placed in his next contract. Perhaps, Dolan doesn't want to give him those assurances so here we are.....

dabomb2045
05-08-11, 07:21 PM
What are you talking about? There were reports all over the place Dolan wanted to re-sign Donnie. All we heard from Donnie is that he wanted to complete the job he started. Ok, then what's the hold up?

He's likely asking for provisions in his contract when it comes to full autonomy on decision-making...which I dont blame him and would definetly be asking for if I was in his position. I dont need some stupid dumbass owner trying to overrule me or butting in decision-making.

JDPNYY
05-08-11, 07:57 PM
Agreement proposal to disagree is imminent.

Rocketbooster
05-08-11, 10:03 PM
He's likely asking for provisions in his contract when it comes to full autonomy on decision-making...which I dont blame him and would definetly be asking for if I was in his position. I dont need some stupid dumbass owner trying to overrule me or butting in decision-making.

You mean like Hal? What GM in any sport can't, at any time, get overruled by his owner? Cash doesn't have that..........The Lakers GM doesn't have it. He wanted to trade Bynum, but his owner's son wouldn't have it.

Snatch Catch
05-09-11, 06:47 AM
Its likely done, just not announced.

Brick Tamland
05-09-11, 07:23 AM
I'm more concerned about Walsh than some dumb Howard trade that will never happen. He's not interested in coming to NY anyway - he's interested in NJ, though - and I have no desire to trade Amare. I still don't get why Deron Williams would want to play for the Nets, but that's his choice.


He absolutely IS interested in coming to the NYK. It's the one other market he has been considering outside of LA. Chris Mannix has been saying this for months.

Rocketbooster
05-09-11, 12:55 PM
He absolutely IS interested in coming to the NYK. It's the one other market he has been considering outside of LA. Chris Mannix has been saying this for months.

Not one source I've ever read has had Howard showing any interest in NY. Mannix is one guy - every other source says no. He's apparently a fan of NJ - that's what I've read. Also, I remember Mannix saying that Howard's people were trying to convince him to be interested in NY Knicks - not that he was interested.

Brick Tamland
05-09-11, 01:54 PM
Not one source I've ever read has had Howard showing any interest in NY. Mannix is one guy - every other source says no. He's apparently a fan of NJ - that's what I've read. Also, I remember Mannix saying that Howard's people were trying to convince him to be interested in NY Knicks - not that he was interested.

Few are more plugged-in than him but fine, believe what you'd like.

Why wouldn't he think about going to the biggest media market in the world to play hoop? His endorsement dollars would shoot through the roof. One could argue even more so than if he were to be out in La La. This is all about money and marketability.

Not to mention the added benefit of playing alongside two bona fide superstars in Melo and Amare. LA has a nice team even when Kobe is gone, but they won't have the kind of top-end talent on their roster that NYK could offer if they are smart enough to build out the nuts and bolts around their big two.

bcom33
05-09-11, 02:16 PM
What do you think the percentage chance is, after the new CBA comes into effect, that the Knicks have enough space to sign Paul or Howard and still have decent role players?

20%, 30% maybe???

I think we need to forget about Paul and Howard. We have our two superstars here. We need to find the defensive stalwarts and secondary scorers to put around them, and a distributor.

We can maybe get lucky with a PG or C in this draft, if Biyombo falls or one of the other centers turns out to be a total diamond in the rough, or if we decide to take Nolan Smith and he turns out to be as efficient as he was at Duke.

Barring that, we have to spend the money, starting now on guys like Tyson Chandler or Dalembert. Guys that bring exactly what we need. Billups is in place for another season. At next year's deadline, and in next year's offseason we have to start talking about trading Billups NOT FOR PAUL, but for a PG and some draft picks.

Brick Tamland
05-09-11, 03:06 PM
What do you think the percentage chance is, after the new CBA comes into effect, that the Knicks have enough space to sign Paul or Howard and still have decent role players?

20%, 30% maybe???

I think we need to forget about Paul and Howard. We have our two superstars here. We need to find the defensive stalwarts and secondary scorers to put around them, and a distributor.

We can maybe get lucky with a PG or C in this draft, if Biyombo falls or one of the other centers turns out to be a total diamond in the rough, or if we decide to take Nolan Smith and he turns out to be as efficient as he was at Duke.

Barring that, we have to spend the money, starting now on guys like Tyson Chandler or Dalembert. Guys that bring exactly what we need. Billups is in place for another season. At next year's deadline, and in next year's offseason we have to start talking about trading Billups NOT FOR PAUL, but for a PG and some draft picks.

I agree with your point on guys like Chandler and Dalembert. That is what I alluded to above when I said "nuts and bolts". Teams like the Dallas Mavericks and the OKC Thunder are successful because they have the ancillary players around their stars that do the little things you need to win. Rebound, challenge shots, block the lane, take charges, play defense, dive after the loose ball, etc.

I do not think it would be a bad idea to add Howard or Paul if it is feasible obviously...

Snatch Catch
05-09-11, 03:43 PM
What do you think the percentage chance is, after the new CBA comes into effect, that the Knicks have enough space to sign Paul or Howard and still have decent role players?

20%, 30% maybe???

I think we need to forget about Paul and Howard. We have our two superstars here. We need to find the defensive stalwarts and secondary scorers to put around them, and a distributor.

We can maybe get lucky with a PG or C in this draft, if Biyombo falls or one of the other centers turns out to be a total diamond in the rough, or if we decide to take Nolan Smith and he turns out to be as efficient as he was at Duke.

Barring that, we have to spend the money, starting now on guys like Tyson Chandler or Dalembert. Guys that bring exactly what we need. Billups is in place for another season. At next year's deadline, and in next year's offseason we have to start talking about trading Billups NOT FOR PAUL, but for a PG and some draft picks.

If you were a hot chick, I wasn't married, and you said this to me in a bar I'd run up an enormous tab trying to take you home.

That's how fine your post was.

bcom33
05-09-11, 04:01 PM
If you were a hot chick, I wasn't married, and you said this to me in a bar I'd run up an enormous tab trying to take you home.

That's how fine your post was.

LMAO, thanks man.

Like Tamland said, I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to adding Howard or Paul either. If it worked financially, of COURSE I'd do it. But, given the reality of the salary cap situation going forward, or at least what it's expected to be, those would be the only 3 guys on the team, and then a couple draft picks, and some bags of balls, and maybe D'Antoni can play some minutes..seriously, nothing.

Panamaniac42
05-09-11, 04:31 PM
What do you think the percentage chance is, after the new CBA comes into effect, that the Knicks have enough space to sign Paul or Howard and still have decent role players?

20%, 30% maybe???

I think we need to forget about Paul and Howard. We have our two superstars here. We need to find the defensive stalwarts and secondary scorers to put around them, and a distributor.

We can maybe get lucky with a PG or C in this draft, if Biyombo falls or one of the other centers turns out to be a total diamond in the rough, or if we decide to take Nolan Smith and he turns out to be as efficient as he was at Duke.

Barring that, we have to spend the money, starting now on guys like Tyson Chandler or Dalembert. Guys that bring exactly what we need. Billups is in place for another season. At next year's deadline, and in next year's offseason we have to start talking about trading Billups NOT FOR PAUL, but for a PG and some draft picks.

Truth. The window on Stat & Melo closes every year...so to not go for broke in 2011/2012 because there's an outside chance we could get Paul/Dwight would be foolish. Play for this season, the rest will sort itself out. Either way stupid motherf*ckers will find a way to spin it against the Knicks. Just like the "we could have Z-Bo and Crawford right now, Donnie's an idiot" articles we've been seeing.

dabomb2045
05-09-11, 05:21 PM
Truth. The window on Stat & Melo closes every year...so to not go for broke in 2011/2012 because there's an outside chance we could get Paul/Dwight would be foolish. Play for this season, the rest will sort itself out. Either way stupid motherf*ckers will find a way to spin it against the Knicks. Just like the "we could have Z-Bo and Crawford right now, Donnie's an idiot" articles we've been seeing.

If Randolph were still here, he'd still be the same fool chucking up bad shots all game and not even trying to play defense or rebound. It just clicked for him in Memphis....it wasnt happening here, just like it didnt happen in Portland or LAC either.

And Crawford....yeah I'm not gonna even waste my time on that one lol. Totally agree with your point though and bcom's post. We need to upgrade the team this offseason however we can. Waiting for the possibility of having a chance at Paul or Howard can be a fatal mistake.

grizy
05-09-11, 08:00 PM
we got a 4 year window at best, waiting for anyone at all is a major mistake.

Rocketbooster
05-10-11, 05:06 PM
Kay was unbelievable today. He started off his show saying that the Knicks have no prayer of doing anything for the next 2 or 3 years because the Heat will only get better off of this year and so will the Bulls. I respect both teams and the Heat probably will be great for awhile, but if those teams can improve, why can't the Knicks? He made it sound like the Knicks are going to stay exactly as they are now...............I had to turn him off for good today.

Snatch Catch
05-10-11, 06:53 PM
Kay was unbelievable today. He started off his show saying that the Knicks have no prayer of doing anything for the next 2 or 3 years because the Heat will only get better off of this year and so will the Bulls. I respect both teams and the Heat probably will be great for awhile, but if those teams can improve, why can't the Knicks? He made it sound like the Knicks are going to stay exactly as they are now...............I had to turn him off for good today.

What Kay is citing is a possibility, not a fact. It sucks when all they have to draw interest is selling those possibilities as locks.

SLURPEE
05-10-11, 07:09 PM
It's going to be hard for the Heat to do anything of significance with a new CBA. Likely hard cap. And other restrictions.

They got their big 3 they are paying despite taking less money.

They can't get Howard, Paul, Williams. Unless those guys take the minimum. Which they aren't.

No desirable assets to trade.

So I would slow down with the Heat could/will improve greatly in the coming years.

Their team chemistry can get better. But that's about it.

Adding great personnel will be very difficult.

dabomb2045
05-10-11, 07:17 PM
Well they are likely gonna win a title this year....so its not as if they need to get a whole lot better. As long as Wade/James stay healthy, they will be title favorites for however long they are in Miami together.

Rocketbooster
05-10-11, 09:35 PM
What Kay is citing is a possibility, not a fact. It sucks when all they have to draw interest is selling those possibilities as locks.

What is a possibility? That the Knicks will have no shot for the next 2 or 3 years? I don't even see how he can even speculate as to that since the team is hardly complete. He sounded like such a fool.............

Rocketbooster
05-10-11, 09:37 PM
Well they are likely gonna win a title this year....so its not as if they need to get a whole lot better. As long as Wade/James stay healthy, they will be title favorites for however long they are in Miami together.

I didn't care about his Heat comment - I accept that they are very good. However, to assume they are going to be the favorites for however many years assumes that no one else will do any improving. I guess according to Kay the Knicks shouldn't even bother to try and improv - and why is it a given that the Bulls will but the Knicks can't? After I turned him off, it was so much more pleasant.

THEBOSS84
05-10-11, 09:38 PM
It's going to be hard for the Heat to do anything of significance with a new CBA. Likely hard cap. And other restrictions.

They got their big 3 they are paying despite taking less money.

They can't get Howard, Paul, Williams. Unless those guys take the minimum. Which they aren't.

No desirable assets to trade.

So I would slow down with the Heat could/will improve greatly in the coming years.

Their team chemistry can get better. But that's about it.

Adding great personnel will be very difficult.

They could always trade Bosh.

SLURPEE
05-10-11, 09:41 PM
What is a possibility? That the Knicks will have no shot for the next 2 or 3 years? I don't even see how he can even speculate as to that since the team is hardly complete. He sounded like such a fool.............

When he's not talking baseball, he usually does.

Yankee Fan in Boston
05-10-11, 09:44 PM
They could always trade Bosh.

How desirable that would be for another team would probably depend on what the new CBA looks like

Rocketbooster
05-10-11, 09:47 PM
When he's not talking baseball, he usually does.

lol too true!

RYMASTER or Ryan_Yankees
05-11-11, 01:24 PM
Landry Fields was chosen for the All-Rookie first team.

bcom33
05-12-11, 12:18 PM
I kinda like this kid Darius Morris out of Michigan. 6'4" pass-first point guard with good athleticism and excellent reach. Sounds like part of the solution to our problems on defense. That problem being every point guard we face penetrating at will by 1. Blowing past our PG and 2. Not having any defensive center in the lane to stop him once he's done number 1.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Darius-Morris-6343/

http://www.nbadraft.net/darius-morris-pure-point-guard

If he stays where he is in the current mocks, maybe we can take a big with our 17th pick, and then buy one of the last 3 picks in the 1st round or one of the first couple picks in the second (like we did for Toney Douglas) and get him. Biggest downside is his inability to shoot from long range, he's almost like Rondo in that way, but not nearly as useless.

just-blaze
05-13-11, 01:43 AM
I kinda like this kid Darius Morris out of Michigan. 6'4" pass-first point guard with good athleticism and excellent reach. Sounds like part of the solution to our problems on defense. That problem being every point guard we face penetrating at will by 1. Blowing past our PG and 2. Not having any defensive center in the lane to stop him once he's done number 1.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Darius-Morris-6343/

http://www.nbadraft.net/darius-morris-pure-point-guard

If he stays where he is in the current mocks, maybe we can take a big with our 17th pick, and then buy one of the last 3 picks in the 1st round or one of the first couple picks in the second (like we did for Toney Douglas) and get him. Biggest downside is his inability to shoot from long range, he's almost like Rondo in that way, but not nearly as useless.

I like how you think.

Best case scenario IMO, is the worse of the Morris' twins lands at the 17th and then to swoop up possibly Morris with a bought later pick.

Edit: swoop up Darius that is.

bcom33
05-13-11, 10:37 AM
I like how you think.

Best case scenario IMO, is the worse of the Morris' twins lands at the 17th and then to swoop up possibly Morris with a bought later pick.

Edit: swoop up Darius that is.

No need for the edit, they're all named Morris haha. TOO MANY MORRISes.

Mr.Muhozi
05-13-11, 10:41 AM
Landry Fields was chosen for the All-Rookie first team.

Congratulations to him. It's a shame he burned out come playoffs but he had a great rookie season.

Rocketbooster
05-13-11, 12:51 PM
Congratulations to him. It's a shame he burned out come playoffs but he had a great rookie season.

He had a great first half of the season - he was terrible after the trade, not just in the playoffs.

On another note, forget Rivers for anyone who is dying for D'antoni to get fired. I read that he just signed a 5 year deal with the Celts

Mr.Muhozi
05-13-11, 01:28 PM
He had a great first half of the season - he was terrible after the trade, not just in the playoffs.


Sounds eerily like one of the Yankee players.

But yeah I know he got burned out. He had nothing come play off time. Either way he had a good rookie season to build upon.

bcom33
05-13-11, 04:28 PM
Sounds eerily like one of the Yankee players.

But yeah I know he got burned out. He had nothing come play off time. Either way he had a good rookie season to build upon.

Yeah, I definitely don't think we should give up on Landry. He showed an incredible basketball I.Q. and knack for rebounding. Like any other player going into his sophomore season, he'll work on his jumper and handle. He's only going to get more comfortable.

Snatch Catch
05-19-11, 09:32 AM
GimeMoMoney - clean out your inbox, son!

Yankees13
05-19-11, 10:49 AM
Seems to be a growing consensus that the Knicks will go PG at 17. I think they should do that and try to buy a late first-rounder and hope someone like Faried slips.

Panamaniac42
05-19-11, 11:05 AM
Seems to be a growing consensus that the Knicks will go PG at 17. I think they should do that and try to buy a late first-rounder and hope someone like Faried slips.


I was going to knock Faried's size (long wingspan aside), but then realized he has the same measurables as the Oak-man :). So I guess I'll say that he only attempted 13 jumpers all season (!) and we already have an energy/dirty work big next year with Turiaf picking up his option. I'm hoping we can find someone who can legitimately help at the 5 next year, though I'll admit I don't have a name to suggest :o.

Yankees13
05-19-11, 11:21 AM
I was going to knock Faried's size (long wingspan aside), but then realized he has the same measurables as the Oak-man :). So I guess I'll say that he only attempted 13 jumpers all season (!) and we already have an energy/dirty work big next year with Turiaf picking up his option. I'm hoping we can find someone who can legitimately help at the 5 next year, though I'll admit I don't have a name to suggest :o.
Yeah, I've seen a lot of Oakley/Rodman/Wallace comparisons. Undersized rebounder from a small school etc. Good point re: Turiaf, but I think the Knicks can use all the help they can help with rebounding and energy off the bench. Another guy I'd look at if they bought a pick would be Harper from Richmond. He would fit D'Antoni's system well. My only concern with him is he sounds like he could be a Shawne Williams clone.

I don't think there's anyone out there at the 5 who is going to be able to play right away. Knicks are going to have to the FA/trade route for that, IMO.

Snatch Catch
05-19-11, 12:56 PM
I was going to knock Faried's size (long wingspan aside), but then realized he has the same measurables as the Oak-man :). So I guess I'll say that he only attempted 13 jumpers all season (!) and we already have an energy/dirty work big next year with Turiaf picking up his option. I'm hoping we can find someone who can legitimately help at the 5 next year, though I'll admit I don't have a name to suggest :o.

Outside of the Euros who would have to fall (Valanciunas, Motiejunas, Biyombo) Jordan Williams, Michael Dunigan, Nikola Vucevic, Keith Benson, and Greg Smith are guys in this draft who could possibly contribute 10-15 minutes next year as rebounding bodies at the 5 and could be had with a purchased pick later in the 1st/2nd.

JfromJersey
05-20-11, 12:03 PM
Jimmer might be there at 17.

Panamaniac42
05-25-11, 09:50 AM
Jeremy Tyler?

bcom33
05-25-11, 09:59 AM
Jeremy Tyler?

I'd definitely spend to buy an early 2nd round pick and spend it on him, purely due to his size (6'10" 260) and take a chance on developing him. He also has a 7'5" wingspan!!!

bcom33
05-27-11, 08:52 AM
So...um...I retract that statement I made about not needing a 3rd star...we might need one. lol

RhodyYanksFan
05-27-11, 09:10 AM
So is 2011-2012 just going to be the countdown to Chris Paul/Dwight Howard acquisition? Also, how long until the "Phil Jackson as Knicks coach" talk really heats up?

bcom33
05-27-11, 09:57 AM
So is 2011-2012 just going to be the countdown to Chris Paul/Dwight Howard acquisition? Also, how long until the "Phil Jackson as Knicks coach" talk really heats up?

It all depends on the CBA. If there's room in the salary cap, it'll be Chris Paul/Dwight Howard countdown and another half year of waiting at least.

As far as I'm concerned, replacing D'Antoni should be the top priority for this team. As long as they make the playoffs, I wouldn't mind them starting the season on a 20 game losing streak as long as it means he's gone and a defensive-minded coach replaces him.

Brick Tamland
05-27-11, 10:22 AM
It all depends on the CBA. If there's room in the salary cap, it'll be Chris Paul/Dwight Howard countdown and another half year of waiting at least.

As far as I'm concerned, replacing D'Antoni should be the top priority for this team. As long as they make the playoffs, I wouldn't mind them starting the season on a 20 game losing streak as long as it means he's gone and a defensive-minded coach replaces him.

Has the ship completely sailed on D'Antoni hiring a defensive assistant coach?

JfromJersey
05-27-11, 11:09 AM
Has the ship completely sailed on D'Antoni hiring a defensive assistant coach?

Does it matter? This isn't football where a DC can have a profound effect on a team's D. D'Antoni would have to change his philosophy to get the Knicks focused on shutting down the other team, or on at least giving equal weight to both sides of play..something he has yet to do in his entire coaching career.

RhodyYanksFan
05-27-11, 11:11 AM
They're not going to pay D'Antoni $6 million to NOT coach the team.

Snatch Catch
05-27-11, 12:21 PM
Does it matter? This isn't football where a DC can have a profound effect on a team's D.


http://i.neoseeker.com/mgv/130674-Lesley%20Pro_04/674/62/bostonceltics2008nbachampions_nc_display.jpg

http://www.cavsnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/mikebrown.jpg

Defensive coordinators can absolutely have a profound effect on a team's defense in the NBA.

grizy
05-27-11, 06:54 PM
Defensive coordinators can absolutely have a profound effect on a team's defense in the NBA.

I really don't understand how this is even in question.

They won't make a difference if the coach is a defensive wizard in his own right but for someone like D'antoni, a DC is all but a necessity.

JfromJersey
05-28-11, 11:23 AM
I really don't understand how this is even in question.

They won't make a difference if the coach is a defensive wizard in his own right but for someone like D'antoni, a DC is all but a necessity.

How much you wanna bet no matter who they get the Knicks will still be one of the poorest defensive teams in the league next season.

grizy
05-28-11, 11:28 AM
How much you wanna bet no matter who they get the Knicks will still be one of the poorest defensive teams in the league next season.

Define this bet better and I'll do good money, or if you prefer, avatars (remember the naked Melky?)

Bottom 5 in points allowed?

Also depends on who they hire too but chances are I'll take this bet if we can work out the details.

JfromJersey
05-28-11, 04:42 PM
Define this bet better and I'll do good money, or if you prefer, avatars (remember the naked Melky?)

Bottom 5 in points allowed?

Also depends on who they hire too but chances are I'll take this bet if we can work out the details.

Forget money, and I'm not sure what u mean by avatars. I'll just expect a grovelling apology to me on this thread and I will reciprocate if the Knicks are better than bottom 5 in PPGA next season.
With my luck they'll finish 25th.

Snatch Catch
05-28-11, 05:18 PM
Define this bet better and I'll do good money, or if you prefer, avatars (remember the naked Melky?)

Bottom 5 in points allowed?

Also depends on who they hire too but chances are I'll take this bet if we can work out the details.

You should go with Deffensive Efficiency, not PPGA - it's a more accurate representation of what a team's defense is allowing.

grizy
05-28-11, 05:36 PM
You should go with Deffensive Efficiency, not PPGA - it's a more accurate representation of what a team's defense is allowing.

Either way, yeah.

By avatars I mean... well, you get to pick my avatar or I get to pick yours for a season.

Not my idea... remember the naked Melky?

Rocketbooster
05-31-11, 05:37 PM
So really, it's taking Walsh this long to decide if he wants to come back? He might be with another team next year and he's going to be making our draft day decisions?

Yankeeah
06-03-11, 08:58 AM
Knicks had Jimmer work out yesterday. It would be a cool story but we need someone who can play defense.

Snatch Catch
06-03-11, 10:01 AM
Knicks had Jimmer work out yesterday. It would be a cool story but we need someone who can play defense.

Yeah. He's working out today. His name is Josh.

THEBOSS84
06-03-11, 10:04 AM
Jimmer would be a fun story, but I don't think they should take him if he's there. I rather reach slightly for a PG or C even if that player isn't the best player available.

Snatch Catch
06-03-11, 10:29 AM
Oh God...

...Donnie Walsh is out as Knicks President and will be replaced in the interim by Glen Grunwald.

Oh God...

Yankee Fan in Boston
06-03-11, 10:32 AM
Oh God...

...Donnie Walsh is out as Knicks President and will be replaced in the interim by Glen Grunwald.

Oh God...

Oh no. The next step is huge for the Knicks. I hope Stern takes it upon himself to give them some "advice" again.

SLURPEE
06-03-11, 10:47 AM
Oh brother...

Que panicking Knick fans...

*rolls eyes*

CyYoung4Vazquez
06-03-11, 10:48 AM
Oh God...

...Donnie Walsh is out as Knicks President and will be replaced in the interim by Glen Grunwald.

Oh God...

My thoughts exactly........

Now watch them draft Jimmer. Unbelievable.

Yankee Fan in Boston
06-03-11, 10:50 AM
Oh brother...

Que panicking Knick fans...

*rolls eyes*

It's hard not to remember how poorly the Knicks were run before Stern pushed Walsh on Dolan. The Wilpons were probably disappointed when Walsh came over, he made the Mets look like a competent organization.

THEBOSS84
06-03-11, 10:52 AM
Not even a little worried about this. I just don't want Isiah involved, anyone else would be fine.

We have two amazing pieces in place. It would be hard to F that up drastically.

SLURPEE
06-03-11, 10:53 AM
Not even a little worried about this. I just don't want Isiah involved, anyone else would be fine.

We have two amazing pieces in place. It would be hard to F that up drastically.

Me neither.

Knick fans panicking already on the radio. lol

JohnnyEllis
06-03-11, 10:53 AM
Never a dull moment. Expect the coach is toast, too.

Yankee Fan in Boston
06-03-11, 10:58 AM
Not even a little worried about this. I just don't want Isiah involved, anyone else would be fine.

We have two amazing pieces in place. It would be hard to F that up drastically.

You have a lot more confidence in Dolan than I do. Not confident at all that 1) Isaiah won't be involved in at least selecting the new GM, 2) that he won't somehow make a horrific choice and 3) that he'll be able to keep from meddling.

The team is good now. How they navigate the new CBA/salary cap and fill out the roster is going to be critical to how successful they are moving forward.

SLURPEE
06-03-11, 10:58 AM
I expect Allan Houston to be named the GM.

I'm glad Walsh isn't totally gone. He will still be somewhat involved.

Maybe day to day operations at his age is a bit too much.

Yankees13
06-03-11, 10:58 AM
Well, I guess it's clear that we can never hope for a complete turnaround until Dolan is gone.

Panamaniac42
06-03-11, 11:11 AM
Not even a little worried about this. I just don't want Isiah involved, anyone else would be fine.

We have two amazing pieces in place. It would be hard to F that up drastically.

Wish I could be that calm. I have no faith in Dolan to do the right thing. Even if it is hard to drastically f*ck up the fact that we have two studs, it's about getting the best return you can using the chips you have to work with - and Walsh was a guy I trusted to do that.

Now we have Isiah's boy Glen Grunwald keeping the seat warm, and if the job doesn't get handed back to the devil himself then we're likely stuck with Allan Houston, who I view as merely a Dolan "yes" man.

Thank you Donnie for getting us this far, shame you can't see it through to the end.

Yankees13
06-03-11, 11:13 AM
Wish I could be that calm. I have no faith in Dolan to do the right thing. Even if it is hard to drastically f*ck up the fact that we have two studs, it's about getting the best return you can using the chips you have to work with - and Walsh was a guy I trusted to do that.

Now we have Isiah's boy Glen Grunwald keeping the seat warm, and if the job doesn't get handed back to the devil himself then we're likely stuck with Allan Houston, who I view as merely a Dolan "yes" man.

Thank you Donnie for getting us this far, shame you can't see it through to the end.
This is the way I see it. Even if it's not Isiah, the replacement is going to be a Dolan puppet one way or another.

JohnnyEllis
06-03-11, 11:45 AM
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/donnie_walsh_to_step_down_as_knicks_4vg5MegHfS6AhaTD6nIqjP

Rocketbooster
06-03-11, 11:46 AM
Not panicking. I knew something was up when he was taking this long. Donnie didn't want to be here, for whatever reason, so it's time to move on. I'm sorry he's leaving, but now I have to concentrate on the team. They need to hire a GM ASAP (Warkientien?) so he can take charge of the draft.

RhodyYanksFan
06-03-11, 12:00 PM
Not even a little worried about this. I just don't want Isiah involved, anyone else would be fine.

We have two amazing pieces in place. It would be hard to F that up drastically.

I'm not even really a Knicks fan and I can already tell that Dolan will find a way to f this up. Isiah will absolutely be involved and we all know he can't handle the old salary cap, who knows what will happen if they go to a "hard" cap like the NHL.

He can undo all the good that Walsh did over the past 4 years in 3 months...and Dolan will let him.

dabomb2045
06-03-11, 12:14 PM
Knicks fans have a right to be in panic mode here. Remember we're talking about JAMES FRIGGIN DOLAN. What has he done to earn our trust to hire the right guy here?

Cross your fingers everyone. We need some luck on our side for this to not end up being a disaster. I loved Allan Houston as a player, but as a GM I see him being a Dolan puppet.

JfromJersey
06-03-11, 12:28 PM
No one worth his salt will come to run the organization under Dolan. Well, maybe Phil if he makes him an offer he can't refuse.

SLURPEE
06-03-11, 12:47 PM
As far as now, Dolan has nothing to do with this. This was Donnie's call. Which I suspected...

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Panamaniac42
06-03-11, 01:22 PM
As far as now, Dolan has nothing to do with this. This was Donnie's call. Which I suspected...

alanhahn Alan Hahn
Walsh says he wasn't willing to take on a multi-year commitment. Said he will and already has discussed with Dolan candidates to succeed him
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Maybe I've just been burned by Dolan too many times, but I don't think this is simply a case of Donnie walking away. As far as I know they've been going back and forth on "terms", which to me means Donnie wanted assurances that he could simply do his damn job without constant meddling and owner overrides. So yeah it was Donnie's call, but I have to believe that Dolan (and Dolan's stubbornness) actually does have a lot to do with it. Again, a whole lot of speculation here but I'm an abused fan.

JohnnyEllis
06-03-11, 01:22 PM
Spin, spin, spin. Walsh stays as a paid consultant, meaning he will say whatever Dim Son tells him to say.

bcom33
06-03-11, 02:32 PM
I saw it reported somewhere, maybe Dolan's statement, that Donnie is stepping down at the end of June. That means Donnie's here for the draft.

R.V.47
06-03-11, 03:03 PM
Not even a little worried about this. I just don't want Isiah involved, anyone else would be fine.

We have two amazing pieces in place. It would be hard to F that up drastically.

This is how I feel, as long as its not isiah the knicks will be ok, they have some good basketball people in the front office and walsh may actually hire the next gm.

Also knick fans who want dantoni gone should be rejoicing, this makes him being fired a very real possibility.

Kluivert4Ever
06-03-11, 03:07 PM
I saw it reported somewhere, maybe Dolan's statement, that Donnie is stepping down at the end of June. That means Donnie's here for the draft.


This is CAA and WWW all the way, only good news is that it makes me more confident in ladning CP3.

SLURPEE
06-03-11, 03:20 PM
I really don't care about the GM. As long as they get Paul.

Donnie already did the hard work--clearing cap space, getting 2 stars...

I read on another board that Melo and Paul have an agreement that he'll be here.

Who knows. Take it for what it's worth.

I'll just say that I mentioned months ago that gut feeling Paul would come here for less than the max.
I still have that feeling.

Rocketbooster
06-03-11, 04:36 PM
As far as now, Dolan has nothing to do with this. This was Donnie's call. Which I suspected...

alanhahn Alan Hahn
Walsh says he wasn't willing to take on a multi-year commitment. Said he will and already has discussed with Dolan candidates to succeed him
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That sounds odd, considering all we ever heard was that Donnie wanted to finish the job he started. While I'm hardly panicking, I really want to know who on earth would want this GM job?

R.V.47
06-03-11, 05:21 PM
That sounds odd, considering all we ever heard was that Donnie wanted to finish the job he started. While I'm hardly panicking, I really want to know who on earth would want this GM job?


Walsh can walk away saying he did finish the job he started. He cleared cap room and got 2 superstars, that was the goal since day 1 of his tenure here. The hard part is done, his successor will just have to find some good role players who can play D and probably a PG after this season.

Rocketbooster
06-03-11, 06:01 PM
Walsh can walk away saying he did finish the job he started. He cleared cap room and got 2 superstars, that was the goal since day 1 of his tenure here. The hard part is done, his successor will just have to find some good role players who can play D and probably a PG after this season.


I still don't buy that he didn't want to commit to more than 1 year. I agree with Chris Sheridan - he just wanted out. I can't say I'm overly positive about the future of the franchise going forward, but then I'm also not having anxiety attacks like some callers on the radio, lol

Mr.Muhozi
06-03-11, 06:04 PM
Isiah Thomas no longer harbors visions of replacing Donnie Walsh in New York.

Seven months after telling ESPNNewYork.com that he thought of replacing former New York Knicks president and general manager Walsh "every single day of the week," Thomas said Friday that he is no longer interested in the job Walsh just vacated, the same job Isiah himself once held.

"I have no desire to return as president of the Knicks," said Thomas, now the head coach of Florida International University. "I'm not a candidate to replace Donnie. I like the job I have right now, and the toll that the (Knicks) job took on me, my wife, and my kids, I don't want to go through that again."

Madison Square Garden chairman Jim Dolan tried to bring back Thomas as general manager last year before Walsh successfully lobbied against the move. When Dolan hired Thomas as a consultant instead, NBA commissioner David Stern voided the deal because he viewed Thomas' role as a college coach as a conflict of interest.

On a Friday conference call with reporters, Walsh called constant news media reports of Isiah's influence and relationship with Dolan "an annoyance."

Would Thomas consider leaving Florida International in Walsh's wake to accept a reduced role as a consultant or scout?

"I'll only say that Jim and I are great friends," Thomas said, "and I will always try to help him help the Knicks. If he wants me to help, I'll be there for him."

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/news/story?id=6623711

The only response can be


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skgrFTu6KTI

Snatch Catch
06-03-11, 06:54 PM
Isola reported that the contract proposal to Walsh involved a 40% paycut.

Hahn reports that it was a cut from $5 million to $2 million.

And I'm completely fine with another GM, preferably Warkentien, Pritchard, or someone experienced like that, however until we get there I'm absolutely nervous because this motherf*cker Dolan is capable of ANYTHING.

Yankee Fan in Boston
06-03-11, 06:57 PM
Isola reported that the contract proposal to Walsh involved a 40% paycut.

Hahn reports that it was a cut from $5 million to $2 million.

And I'm completely fine with another GM, preferably Warkentien, Pritchard, or someone experienced like that, however until we get there I'm absolutely nervous because this motherf*cker Dolan is capable of ANYTHING.

Donnie saved Dolan $10s of millions by getting payroll down, so that is particularly galling. He should have just had the balls to not ask him back, but he wanted to make it look like he tried.

I don't see how any Knick fan can feel comfortable until the new GM is named.

R.V.47
06-03-11, 07:37 PM
I still don't buy that he didn't want to commit to more than 1 year. I agree with Chris Sheridan - he just wanted out. I can't say I'm overly positive about the future of the franchise going forward, but then I'm also not having anxiety attacks like some callers on the radio, lol

Im not really sure why you wouldnt see a positive future for this team. With the Celtics aging out the Knicks are a few role players away from probably being an elite team in the east with Miami, Chicago and Orlando. They have the stars, theyre in OK enough shape financially to bring in some decent players and may even be an attractive enough destination to lure in a 3rd star at a pay cut. The only negative is will they or wont be a better defensive team but theres time to work on that.

wexy
06-03-11, 07:54 PM
I was 17 when they won in 1973, I won't be around in 2073 when they might win again.
As long as Dolan is there forget it.
I just spoke to my friend Rudy who has been a season ticket holder for thirty years.
They just upped his tickets 187% so he has to give them up
The organization sucks plain and simple and I have been a fan since 1965.

Rocketbooster
06-03-11, 07:59 PM
Im not really sure why you wouldnt see a positive future for this team. With the Celtics aging out the Knicks are a few role players away from probably being an elite team in the east with Miami, Chicago and Orlando. They have the stars, theyre in OK enough shape financially to bring in some decent players and may even be an attractive enough destination to lure in a 3rd star at a pay cut. The only negative is will they or wont be a better defensive team but theres time to work on that.

Because I have no idea who would want to be GM under these conditions. I'm not one to constantly bash Dolan. For all his faults, he's loyal to his friend, Isaiah, and in a way I admire that. I don't think Isaiah has any future here, but any GM is going to have to deal with the fact that Dolanl and IT are friends and that the former values the latter's opinion. I didn't say I wasn't positive about their future, just that I'm not gushing about it. I'm sort of middling about it until I see who they hire, how their draft works out, etc.... I'm not counting on Chris Paul. In fact, I'm going to assume they won't get him.

chanman7483
06-03-11, 08:38 PM
Wait and see what happens fellas. Yes it's Dolan and he is capable of some horrific sh*t, but Melo and Amare take up the majority of the payroll, so there's not much else that can be done to f it up with the remaining money. Bring in the best C or PG out there and let's move on.

GordonGecko
06-04-11, 08:28 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7B9VmcEpWAY

JfromJersey
06-04-11, 12:35 PM
There is no reason for Dolan to bring Isiah back. It would make Dolan look like a complete fool as well as put a huge media target on both his and Isiah's back. He'll just keep him in the background as a not so secret advisor with more power than anyone on the stage. They are both sneaky bastards.

bcom33
06-20-11, 07:16 PM
The Knicks are making a play for Omri Casspi. Knicks brass believe Toney Douglas and $3M can get it done.


interesting...

yankeesrule2000
06-20-11, 08:18 PM
interesting...

A guy on RealGm is saying it would be Tony Douglas, #17 and 3 mil in cash for Casspi and #7 which we would use to draft Jimmer .

dabomb2045
06-20-11, 08:35 PM
Why in the world would this team want to draft Jimmer? We dont need a player like him. I dont even see him being a good pro anyway.

Jace
06-20-11, 09:02 PM
Yeah... its not like we'd be giving up a lot... but he's jj redick but a little smaller. i dont get the appeal

bcom33
06-20-11, 09:56 PM
A guy on RealGm is saying it would be Tony Douglas, #17 and 3 mil in cash for Casspi and #7 which we would use to draft Jimmer .

I wouldn't mind getting Casspi, Jimmer out of this draft...but only if we also buy a late 1st/early 2nd and get a project big like Jeremy Tyler.

Yankees1962
06-20-11, 10:10 PM
Yeah... its not like we'd be giving up a lot... but he's jj redick but a little smaller. i dont get the appeal
It looks like the NBA sees more value in him than you. The Knicks are among several teams apparently in love with this guy. To take him this high, they must be convinced he can play point.

dabomb2045
06-20-11, 10:24 PM
It looks like the NBA sees more value in him than you. The Knicks are among several teams apparently in love with this guy. To take him this high, they must be convinced he can play point.

They have enough scorers. Jimmer is a scorer. He brings nothing else to the table....they need help in other areas.

Yankeeah
06-20-11, 10:41 PM
I've heard everything in terms of the Knicks trading up. Maybe they will go after Kemba?

Yankees1962
06-20-11, 10:48 PM
They have enough scorers. Jimmer is a scorer. He brings nothing else to the table....they need help in other areas.
Evidently, they think differently about him.

dabomb2045
06-20-11, 10:51 PM
Evidently, they think differently about him.

Well they are making a big mistake. Do you really trade up to get someone who at best will be another JJ Redick?

Yankees1962
06-20-11, 10:54 PM
Well they are making a big mistake. Do you really trade up to get someone who at best will be another JJ Redick?
That's your opinion. In time, we'll know if they're right or not.

Snatch Catch
06-20-11, 10:55 PM
Why in the world would this team want to draft Jimmer? We dont need a player like him. I dont even see him being a good pro anyway.

Do you remember what the offense looked like when either Stat or Melo sat? This team has pretty much NOBODY who can create their own shot from the perimeter. I'm not a huge Fredette fan, but the guy has a sick crossover, NBA body, range for days, and a nice midrange game. He's fill a pretty glaring hole on this Knicks team in my opinion.

Of course I'd rather the rumors about Biyombo falling be true, but that's got nothing to do with Jimmer.

Philip Hughes Fan
06-20-11, 11:19 PM
Well they are making a big mistake. Do you really trade up to get someone who at best will be another JJ Redick?

I agree about the pick, but I don't think Redick is a good comp since he actually turned into a decent defender. If Jimmer had the height to play the 2 sure...but he doesn't and doesn't have the speed to guard PGs. One of the best comps I've heard is actually Toney Douglas. Too short to be a SG but without PG skills, but probably a good enough scorer to be useful off the bench.

Snatch Catch
06-20-11, 11:29 PM
Toney Douglas doesn't have anywhere near the ability to penetrate, the mid range game, or basketball IQ that Jimmer does, and Douglas came out as a great college defender. That's a pretty offbase comp.

Philip Hughes Fan
06-20-11, 11:33 PM
Toney Douglas doesn't have anywhere near the ability to penetrate, the mid range game, or basketball IQ that Jimmer does, and Douglas came out as a great college defender. That's a pretty offbase comp.

It's David Locke's (writer and radio guy for the Jazz) median comp. Bibby and Terry are his upside comps, though I don't think Jimmer has their speed/quickness. Most of what I know of Douglas is from Knicks' fans opinion, but I thought he was a poor defender in the NBA.

I don't think much of Jimmer's ability to penetrate in the NBA or his basketball IQ either.

dabomb2045
06-21-11, 02:00 AM
JMO, but I dont see Jimmer being able to penetrate and create his offense very much on the NBA level.

Yankees1962
06-21-11, 04:27 AM
It's David Locke's (writer and radio guy for the Jazz) median comp. Bibby and Terry are his upside comps, though I don't think Jimmer has their speed/quickness. Most of what I know of Douglas is from Knicks' fans opinion, but I thought he was a poor defender in the NBA.

I don't think much of Jimmer's ability to penetrate in the NBA or his basketball IQ either.
From the reports I've read that is one of things that is standing out in his workouts, his high basketball IQ.

bcom33
06-21-11, 10:36 AM
From the reports I've read that is one of things that is standing out in his workouts, his high basketball IQ.

From the few games I watched Jimmer play, from the end of the regular season and in the tournament, he made a ton of good decisions on the offensive end. Sure, he jacked up some shots from ungodly ranges that are likely not going to play in the NBA, but he made his fair share of those shots. He was also the sole offensive focus on that team after Davies got suspended, so he had all the freedom in the world to do whatever he wanted. He still made good passes and got teammates involved, and had an uncanny ability to drive and finish in many different ways.

Regardless, I think a high basketball IQ is definitely something the Knicks should be looking for in the draft. People who can play right now alongside our entrenched stars. Jimmer, Klay Thompson, Darius Morris, Charles Jenkins, etc.

I don't know if Biyombo, Faried, the Morris twins fit that mold, but they help us out in different ways. The Knicks have so many different ways to go in this draft...no way is clearly better than another in my opinion. Only time will tell if we made the right moves.

THEBOSS84
06-21-11, 03:08 PM
Jimmer wants to be a Knick

http://deadspin.com/5814157/

SLURPEE
06-21-11, 04:26 PM
Maybe he shouldn't had worked out for other teams if he wants to really be a Knick.

Rocketbooster
06-22-11, 12:42 PM
I just don't feel comfortable with the idea of Donnie Walsh, who is no longer committed to the future of this team, making a huge pick.

Panamaniac42
06-22-11, 03:54 PM
I just don't feel comfortable with the idea of Donnie Walsh, who is no longer committed to the future of this team, making a huge pick. I'd like to think he has integrity and will do the job he's being paid to do. This isn't Ed Tapscott being given the steering wheel to drive the car off the cliff (Weis over Artest).

Yankees1962
06-22-11, 04:02 PM
I'd like to think he has integrity and will do the job he's being paid to do. This isn't Ed Tapscott being given the steering wheel to drive the car off the cliff (Weis over Artest).
Also, he's on the payroff through next year and has been a basketball executive for what 40 years.

Rocketbooster
06-22-11, 05:05 PM
I'd like to think he has integrity and will do the job he's being paid to do. This isn't Ed Tapscott being given the steering wheel to drive the car off the cliff (Weis over Artest).

I'm not doubting his integrity, but it just seems very odd that he's not a part of this franchise anymore (basically) and he's going to have a huge say. I'm not sure why the Knicks didn't just hire a new GM and let him take control of the draft.

kan_t
06-22-11, 05:28 PM
JMO, but I dont see Jimmer being able to penetrate and create his offense very much on the NBA level.
Agreed. He's a perfect fit for some systems like the Jazz. But I don't see him as a good fit to the Knicks.

Yankeeah
06-22-11, 08:00 PM
From TKB


I spoke to someone whom I trust with contact inside a Western Conference team who told me very simply that the Steve Nash to New York rumors are “legitimate” and that it sounds as if they may be “heating up” again. There is nothing other than that little piece of information and we will confirm/dismiss/continue to dig…
Stay tuned.


Also said Knicks might work out a deal for the Bulls 30th pick

THEBOSS84
06-22-11, 08:03 PM
What is Nash's contract situation?

The answer to that question will decide whether I'm a fan of a potential deal or not.

AMYanks
06-22-11, 08:18 PM
Nash is in the last year of his deal.

The two original sources of this are Bleacher Report and Tommy Dee, so I'd say there's a less than 1% chance of this being legit.

dabomb2045
06-22-11, 08:19 PM
What is Nash's contract situation?

The answer to that question will decide whether I'm a fan of a potential deal or not.

Next season is the last year of his deal. We'd likely have to take back a bad contract in order for this deal to have any chance of happening i.e Josh Childress.

dabomb2045
06-22-11, 08:24 PM
I honestly think Billups is a better fit for this team at this point. Nash is great no doubt...but if he's here, who the hell on this team will play any defense?

Panamaniac42
06-23-11, 08:33 AM
I honestly think Billups is a better fit for this team at this point. Nash is great no doubt...but if he's here, who the hell on this team will play any defense?

I hear ya but it's not like Billups is locking anybody up on D.

Panamaniac42
06-23-11, 09:15 AM
So I just looked at all the major mocks and saw everything from Singleton to Vucevic to Jimmer to Markieff Morris to Josh Selby.

I really don't see guys like Jimmer, Klay Thompson, and even Singleton lasting. Biyombo should be long gone. Markieff Morris doesn't do it for me and Faried would be an underwhelming selection IMO. Vucevic is a body, but we already have Jerome Jordan coming back after some seasoning overseas. Iman Shumpert? I'd rather sign Jarvaris Crittenton, who we just worked out.

So I hope they take Melo's advice and grab his homie from B'more if he's there. That and buying back into the 1st and getting a guy like Tyler would be a good night.

This wasn't that long ago...

http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/9791/selby.jpg

THEBOSS84
06-23-11, 09:36 AM
I read this somewhere and I wouldn't mind it - having the Knicks trade their first rounder for another team's 2012 first rounder.

Brick Tamland
06-23-11, 09:42 AM
I'd like to think he has integrity and will do the job he's being paid to do. This isn't Ed Tapscott being given the steering wheel to drive the car off the cliff (Weis over Artest).

That pick still haunts my dreams.

Panamaniac42
06-23-11, 09:47 AM
I read this somewhere and I wouldn't mind it - having the Knicks trade their first rounder for another team's 2012 first rounder.

For those still holding out hope for CP3, that wouldn't be a bad move.

Panamaniac42
06-23-11, 09:50 AM
That pick still haunts my dreams.

Weis...Milos Vujanic...Maciej Lampe...it's been a hell of a ride. And those are just the Euros, I'm not even going to get into Dontae Jones, Mike "tits" Sweetney, Eric Chenowith, etc.

Brick Tamland
06-23-11, 09:57 AM
Man I had forgotten about Sweetney and Chenowith...

Just shows how miserable the past decade has been.

Panamaniac42
06-23-11, 10:22 AM
Man I had forgotten about Sweetney and Chenowith...

Just shows how miserable the past decade has been.


Looks like he's tearing it up in Puerto Rico.

http://www.primerahora.com/XStatic/primerahora/images/espanol/20100407_accionbal_2444351.jpg

The Knicks really did their homework on that one. A 6'8 260lb "athlete" who could only bench 185 three times at the combine...pathetic!

Brick Tamland
06-23-11, 12:15 PM
God what is his diet? Cheeseburgers and milkshakes?

bcom33
06-23-11, 02:50 PM
There's a lot of talk that Kemba may slip far in this draft if Utah takes Kanter at 3, Sacramento passes at 7, Utah takes Jimmer at 10. Indiana would still have to pass, maybe take Klay Thompson instead, but it's a definite possibility.