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Bleacher_Creature
09-08-08, 09:28 AM
That Michael was sent to Japan for the first time signifies a shift for the Yankees, who have relied on their Pacific scouts for several years. Following the disastrous signing of Kei Igawa, however, the Yankees aren't taking any chances, sending one of their most trusted talent evaluators to look at potential acquisitions.
Feinsand notes that it is unclear which players the Yankees are interested in, but does list several players that could be available including right-handers Koji Uehara, Kenshin Kawakami and lefty Hitoki Iwase, a reliever.
Feinsand does not mention the biggest potential prize, Yu Darvish. Previously the Yankees were listed (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/08/odds-and-ends-i.html) as one of the teams with a scout at the Olympics to watch Darvish. While nobody is certain that Darvish will be posted (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/05/yu-darvish-e-ti.html) this winter, if rumors of a $75MM posting fee are even close to accurate, the Yankees will have to be involved.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

YankeePride1967
09-08-08, 09:45 AM
If the Yanks are to continue dabbling in signing players I'm thankful that they are at least taking a look at what they may bid on.

JavyVazquezIsSick
09-08-08, 10:06 AM
Please no Darvish. His asking price would not be worth it.

BRNXBMRS
09-08-08, 10:14 AM
Save the $$$ and invest in scouting US & latin players.

effdamets
09-08-08, 10:46 AM
Please... no more Japanese pitchers - please!!!!

Yankees47
09-08-08, 11:04 AM
Please no Darvish. His asking price would not be worth it.

What does it matter to you...Your not paying the fee....He would cost 75 million just to speak with him but none of that would effect the luxury tax or be involved in the actual salary of the player....I bet overall he personally would want 10 Million a year or less for 5 years....I believe Dice K got even less than that....Again not talking about the Posting Fee but jus the actual salary itself.....And this team isnt the Oakland As....They are the Yankees.....So if Gene thinks a player is big time than you sign him up.....Listen to your most trusted scouts and get the pitchers that are the best....Instead of being cheap and signing Dog ................ like Igawa instead

JavyVazquezIsSick
09-08-08, 11:07 AM
Please... no more Japanese pitchers - please!!!!

For me, it's not so much all Japanese pitchers, it's just starting pitcher's who we'd have to commit a lot of money to.

kan_t
09-08-08, 11:11 AM
I trust Gene Michael.

effdamets
09-08-08, 11:11 AM
For me, it's not so much all Japanese pitchers, it's just starting pitcher's who we'd have to commit a lot of money to.
I guess I agree with this.
If Japanese players get drafted and prove themselves worthy in the minor leagues, just like American/Latin/every other player, then OK - go for it.
But overall, a Japanese pitcher's chance of "translating" into US baseball are slim to none.

And for those who think "it's not your money"... guess again. where do you think the Yankee front office goes to make up for degenerating profits? Right to the fans' pockets.... So in a way - a very real way - it IS your money.

apalradio
09-08-08, 11:14 AM
Please... no more Japanese pitchers - please!!!!We're not exactly making a killing on American pitchers either. At least if Stick is involved in the process we have a better chance at making sensible talent evaluations.

Bub
09-08-08, 12:09 PM
I hope he brings a radar gun with him. He should also bring someone like Melky Cabrera along and let him pitch to him in gamelike situations. Anyone Melky hits the snot out of ain't makin' it here.

YASS
09-08-08, 01:16 PM
I hope he brings a radar gun with him. He should also bring someone like Melky Cabrera along and let him pitch to him in gamelike situations. Anyone Melky hits the snot out of ain't makin' it here.
The other side of that is that if Melky doesn't hit the snot out of him, you wind up signing a pitcher that's full of snot. You don't want to get the shiny new ballpark all gooey, do you?

SoCal Pinstriper
09-08-08, 01:38 PM
I hope he brings a radar gun with him. He should also bring someone like Melky Cabrera along and let him pitch to him in gamelike situations. Anyone Melky hits the snot out of ain't makin' it here.Who says Melky has no value. :lol:

There are, and have been, enough successful Japanese players that the Yankees cannot ignore that breeding ground. DiceK, Saito, Otsuka and the OJG, Hideo Nomo just off the top of my head.

I'm glad to see the Yankees applying some effort to see that they make better decisions in this area.

scooterfan
09-08-08, 01:38 PM
I trust Gene Michael.

Me too

I don't think you can just throw the baby out with the Igawa bathwater. You could find serviceable arms there

There's another possibility of course - Stick could be evaluating other players not on the media's radar. Are there any prominent Japanese position players available? And (as with Matsuzaka) could a team 'post' a young-ish position player not eligible for free agency?

Bern baby Bern!
09-08-08, 03:01 PM
more japanese players???????????? Ohhh man the only one that lived up to its hype is Ichiro (sorry but I dont think matsui did and neither did dice-k yet)!!!! Maybe they have a hideki irabi #2 over there or another chan ho park..

YASS
09-08-08, 03:04 PM
more japanese players???????????? Ohhh man the only one that lived up to its hype is Ichiro (sorry but I dont think matsui did and neither did dice-k yet)!!!! Maybe they have a hideki irabi #2 over there or another chan ho park..
Chan Ho Park will be very surprised to learn he's now Japanese. How's he going to explain that to his parents?

CallOfTheCrow
09-08-08, 04:58 PM
Chan Ho Park will be very surprised to learn he's now Japanese. How's he going to explain that to his parents?

He experimented at camp.

cyhughes22
09-08-08, 05:19 PM
He experimented at camp.

:clap:

PinstripePride
09-08-08, 05:22 PM
They should send him to China.

AcidLake
09-08-08, 07:25 PM
Chan Ho Park will be very surprised to learn he's now Japanese. How's he going to explain that to his parents?
Hahaha

Chan Ho Park was great when he was in Dodgers back in late 90's till 2001. Injuries killed him after then until this year. He's actually doing great as a reliever in Dodgers now

Ichiro happened to be a big surprise because no one really expected him to replicate the success he had in Japan to MLB. IMO, Daisuke's 2008 season kinda convinced me of him reaching Ichiro's hype... if he can repeat the next year

And for the last time, Darvish is NOT like Igawa. He's a power pitcher who increased his velocity in last few years who is getting better. One main reason why Igawa had a success in NPB (with that mediocre velocity) is because hitters there don't see changeups much and that was his primary weapon--which didn't work here in MLB. I think of Darvish Yu as Jon Rauch with nasty breaking slider. Yu also has a tough mentality and pitched great in last year's playoffs for Nippon Ham Fighters. All you who resist Darvish Yu without knowing a jist of him are...:eek:

I don't like Koji Uehara that much. He's aging and lost bunch of velocity after the surgery he had years back. He has good control, but he's a flyball pitcher. I'd pass

bmxstreetrider86
09-08-08, 08:05 PM
id love to see darvish in the yankees rotation for the future, though i have a feeling im in the minority

IronCaballo4
09-09-08, 06:22 AM
We're not exactly making a killing on American pitchers either. At least if Stick is involved in the process we have a better chance at making sensible talent evaluations.

We need to try something new. I'm willing to bet somewhere there's a lefty-tossing Aborigine who throws a 97mph 4-seamer with a 12 to 6 curve

teknetic
09-09-08, 08:35 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqul1GyK7-g

Better than Igawa..and if Stick is involved in it, I'd be a lot less skeptical than the tool who was involved in the Igawa signing.

Beast
09-09-08, 08:43 AM
Please no Darvish. His asking price would not be worth it.

Why it's just money. The teams biggest resource. He won't cost a draft pick. And if he doesn't work you cut him as a sunk cost.

THEBOSS84
09-09-08, 08:45 AM
Why it's just money. The teams biggest resource. He won't cost a draft pick. And if he doesn't work you cut him as a sunk cost.

The same way they "cut" Igawa?

If they pour $100+M into Darvish and he doesn't work out, the entire FO should resign.

teknetic
09-09-08, 09:09 AM
he is now throwing 155 kph which is about 95-96 mph...and the mounds look smaller than the ones in the mlb..so if he is on a higher mound, he should be throwing 97+ by the age of 23..remember he is only 21 yrs old...with a blazin heater and a filthy slider, as well as a curve or change, he should be one of the better imported players in a long time

Youtube comment, so I don't know the validity of the statement. The video above was from two years ago. He just turned 22, so he has a chance to be younger than DiceK when posted.

Ynkcpt23
09-09-08, 10:00 AM
Youtube comment, so I don't know the validity of the statement. The video above was from two years ago. He just turned 22, so he has a chance to be younger than DiceK when posted.

I'm with you on this. He wouldn't cost us draft picks, just $$. Would you pass on Dice K again after this season's pitching rotation nightmare??? What is he now, 15-2 or something ridiculous?

Darvish is young, very talented, and a perfect fit for the NY market. Its not like they're asking us to pony up the cash to negotiate. Geez, people, it's not your personal budget. Let Stick have a look. He's the best talent evaluator we have.

JavyVazquezIsSick
09-09-08, 10:36 AM
I'm with you on this. He wouldn't cost us draft picks, just $$. Would you pass on Dice K again after this season's pitching rotation nightmare??? What is he now, 15-2 or something ridiculous?

Darvish is young, very talented, and a perfect fit for the NY market. Its not like they're asking us to pony up the cash to negotiate. Geez, people, it's not your personal budget. Let Stick have a look. He's the best talent evaluator we have.

Matsuzaka has been extremely extremely lucky this season to have an ERA as low as he does.

THEBOSS84
09-09-08, 10:39 AM
Anyone know Dice-K's FIP?

JavyVazquezIsSick
09-09-08, 10:41 AM
http://www.hardballtimes.com/thtstats/main/player/index.php?lastName=matsuzaka

THEBOSS84
09-09-08, 10:44 AM
Thanks, yes he has been quite lucky.

Abe Frohman
09-09-08, 10:46 AM
I've been advocating this for a while. Darvish needs to be in Pinstripes. Youth,

Electricity, Pizazz. If you watched him pitch on those Youtube videos youll see hes

very confident and pitches with fire, kinda like Joba. I think he'd be great in MLB and

amazing here in NYC. Whatever it takes if they post him now. If they post him 4-5

years from now, not so much.

bmxstreetrider86
09-09-08, 02:43 PM
Anyone know Dice-K's FIP?

not great (4.09), xFIP isnt great either(4.87) though both are getting better than where they were earlier in the season

webassign
09-09-08, 04:10 PM
See my avatar for my feelings on this topic.

Look at this young, beautiful, sexy man beast.
http://i33.tinypic.com/2ntblae.jpg
http://i38.tinypic.com/2cestnr.jpg

Like I've said earlier, the problem with Igawa was poor scouting. If you're not gonna trust Stick Michael, then I don't know what to say.

Iknowcool
09-09-08, 05:52 PM
There should be some interest in Koji Uehara as well. No posting fee and hes a lot more likely to play MLB in 2009.

teknetic
09-09-08, 06:04 PM
There should be some interest in Koji Uehara as well. No posting fee and hes a lot more likely to play MLB in 2009.

He's also 33 (going on 34?)

conkermaniac
09-09-08, 07:22 PM
I had the chance to watch Darvish and Iwase pitch in the Olympics against the likes of Taylor Teagarden and Terry Tiffee, and let's just say that if we're counting on them to make a difference, we're in big trouble.

kan_t
09-09-08, 09:33 PM
There should be some interest in Koji Uehara as well. No posting fee and hes a lot more likely to play MLB in 2009.
His fastball is at high-80 mph.

Thanks but no thanks.

Mark19
09-10-08, 12:26 PM
Kawakami is the other guy people have been discussing

Here is his profile:

http://www.npbtracker.com/2008/07/player-profile-kenshin-kawakami/#content


Career Path & Personal Accolades
Kawakami is not quite as decorated as Koji Uehara, but he’s close. Kawakami’s pro career started in 1998, went he went 14-6 and took the Rookie of the Year award. He then took a step back and went through some wilderness years between ‘99 and ‘01, but bounced back in 2002 with a 12-6 record and 2.35 ERA. He also threw a no-hitter in ‘02 (http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=jNHiFiwiBn0) against a Giants team that still featured Hideki Matsui.
The right hander has put in strong performances each year since then, including 2003 when he missed significant time with an injury. He won the Sawamura Award as Japan’s top pitcher as well as the Central MVP in 2004, when he went 17-7 with a 3.32 ERA in 192 IP. He was actually better in 2006, again going 17-7 but with 2.51 ERA in 215 IP. He lost out on the Sawamura that year to a dominant Kazumi Saitoh (http://japanesebaseball.com/players/player.jsp?PlayerID=871).
Other personal achievements include three Gold Gloves, two Best Nine Awards, two victory titles and one strikeout title. He also holds an NPB record with eight Monthly MVP awards, the most recent coming last month.
Kawakami is having another strong year (find his stats in English here (http://japanesebaseball.com/leaders.jsp)) but will probably lose out on the Sawamura again, this time to Yu Darvish.
Winning
Kawakami’s Dragons won the Central League crowns in 1999, 2004, and 2006 and took the Japan Series in 2007. The 2007 Japan Championship was only second in team history, and the first since 1954. The ‘07 Japan Series ended in dramatic fashion; maybe I’ll write about that another time. For now I’ll point you to this Baseball Prospectus article (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=6928) (free for the week) and Marinerds, etc (http://marinerds.blogspot.com/2007/11/misero-ochiai-nippon-ichi.html).
Stuff
Kawakami isn’t overpowering; his fastball tops out in the low 90’s. His control is good, though not quite as awe-inspiring as Koji Uehara’s (http://japanesebaseball.com/players/player.jsp?PlayerID=1071). And his windup isn’t deceptive, like many Japanese pitchers. Kawakami gets by purely on quality stuff.
Kawakami’s featured pitch is a cut fastball, which, according to Wikipedia (http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%B7%9D%E4%B8%8A%E6%86%B2%E4%BC%B8), is known as Japan’s finest among visiting MLB All-Stars. He also has a slow curve, which he throws at 65-70 MPH. The rest of his arsenal is fairly typical: fastball, shuuto, fork. He changes speeds pretty well, particularly between his curve and harder stuff.
I’ve selected some YouTube footage from Kawakami’s most recent appearance, Chunichi’s 2-1 loss to Hanshin on July 18. Kawakami took a no-decision, striking out 10 and allowing one earned run over 8.0 innings. 2nd inning (http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=sFg4DMsGwU4), 3rd/4th inning (http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=sFg4DMsGwU4), 8th inning (http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=qGInhb8hIv0), and just for fun, Kyuji Fujikawa (http://japanesebaseball.com/players/player.jsp?PlayerID=1095)’s appearance in the 9th (pt1 (http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=feD44Xl2pGA&feature=related)/pt2 (http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=cIRo9ifnSoY)).

AcidLake
09-10-08, 02:14 PM
Kawakami is the other guy people have been discussing

Here is his profile:

http://www.npbtracker.com/2008/07/player-profile-kenshin-kawakami/#content

I'd rather go for Fujikawa who is mentioned in the end of Kawakami's profile report. Has a great fastball that is scientifically proven to be harder than Matsuzaka or Kroon's (hit 160km aka about 99mph) when it comes to spins generated. He's a great closer there right now. I think he'll be suitable set-up man or middle reliever in US.

Other than Fujikawa, I'd like to Yanks go for Chang-Yong Lim also. He's Korean born and was a phenom there 10 years ago but I thiknk he had some injuries that held himi back. Anyway, he's in Yokohama and doing a stellar job as their closer. I like him because of low sidearm delivery that fires snake-like fastball in high80's~low90's fastball that can reach 95mph few times. His slider is great also

YASS
09-10-08, 02:25 PM
I'd rather go for Fujikawa who is mentioned in the end of Kawakami's profile report. Has a great fastball that is scientifically proven to be harder than Matsuzaka or Kroon's (hit 160km aka about 99mph) when it comes to spins generated. He's a great closer there right now. I think he'll be suitable set-up man or middle reliever in US.

Other than Fujikawa, I'd like to Yanks go for Chang-Yong Lim also. He's Korean born and was a phenom there 10 years ago but I thiknk he had some injuries that held himi back. Anyway, he's in Yokohama and doing a stellar job as their closer. I like him because of low sidearm delivery that fires snake-like fastball in high80's~low90's fastball that can reach 95mph few times. His slider is great also
I saw Fujikawa twice this year: once in March during the exhibition games prior to the Sox/A's games, and once during the Olympics.

Impressive both times. He carries himself like a closer; he seems to have a ton of confidence.

AcidLake
09-10-08, 02:44 PM
I saw Fujikawa twice this year: once in March during the exhibition games prior to the Sox/A's games, and once during the Olympics.

Impressive both times. He carries himself like a closer; he seems to have a ton of confidence.

Yeah, I'd love to see Yankees go for him. He also was a first rounder at the same year when Matsuzaka was drafted, I believe.

For those of you remember 2006 WBC, he's the guy who allowed walk-off single to ARod in USA-Japan game back then

TheGameEpisode2
09-11-08, 01:17 PM
Junichi Tazawa is going to the Majors next year.

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/sb20080911a2.html

He's only 22.

THEBOSS84
09-11-08, 01:19 PM
Junichi Tazawa is going to the Majors next year.

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/sb20080911a2.html

He's only 22.

So is he a flat-out FA or will he be posted? I think he's an FA for some reason.

TheGameEpisode2
09-11-08, 01:22 PM
From the sounds of the article it seems like he's just a free agent.

Here's a scouting report:


* Deanna attended Tazawa’s most recent game with Simon and treats us to this game report. If you haven’t checked out Deanna’s and Simon’s blogs, I highly recommend doing so.
* This YouTube video shows an inning’s worth of work in which Tazawa shows off a 90-93 mph fastball, a 12-6 curve, and a shuuto. Note that his fastball has some movement and he can run it in on righthanded batters. I have no idea about the quality of competition in this game.
* This much worse amateur video is from a pro-am game versus the Chunichi Dragons. He hits 150 km/h (93mph) on the gun and you can get a sense of the movement on his stuff, but other than that you can’t tell much about how he did. The video is more watchable from about 04:00 in.
* Here’s a great frame-by-frame look at Tazama’s windup.
* This Japanese scouting report includes Tazawa’s stats for this season. I’m not going to translate the whole thing but I’ll give you the bottom line: 54 IP, 46 hits, 56 K, 4 BB, 6 ER, 1.00 ERA. Fastest recorded pitch speed is 153 km/h (95.625 mph) according to this.


http://www.npbtracker.com/2008/09/more-on-tazawa/#content

THEBOSS84
09-11-08, 01:24 PM
4 walks and 56 k's in 54 IP - I like the sound of that.

metalboy15
09-11-08, 01:26 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxRKY_Xg5tQ

THEBOSS84
09-11-08, 01:27 PM
I wish we can trade Igawa back to Tazawa's team too.

Bleacher_Creature
09-11-08, 01:30 PM
Even though previous reports on Japanese right-hander Yu Darvish weren't glowing, the Yankees are taking a second look at the 21-year-old.

Billy Eppler, the Yankees' head of professional scouting, and scout Gene Michael are in Japan, to see Darvish, who pitches for the Nippon Ham Fighters. The club isn't expected to post Darvish, but if it does the Yankees want to be in a position to judge if they make a bid for him.

The Yankees aren't interested in Junichi Tazawa, the top amateur pitcher in Japan. MLB and Japanese clubs have a loose agreement not to go after each other's amateurs, but a few MLB teams are prepared to ignore the agreement for the 22-year-old right-hander.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/09112008/sports/yankees/bombers_brace_for_the_final_homestand_128486.htm

bmxstreetrider86
09-11-08, 01:37 PM
Even though previous reports on Japanese right-hander Yu Darvish weren't glowing, the Yankees are taking a second look at the 21-year-old.

Billy Eppler, the Yankees' head of professional scouting, and scout Gene Michael are in Japan, to see Darvish, who pitches for the Nippon Ham Fighters. The club isn't expected to post Darvish, but if it does the Yankees want to be in a position to judge if they make a bid for him.

The Yankees aren't interested in Junichi Tazawa, the top amateur pitcher in Japan. MLB and Japanese clubs have a loose agreement not to go after each other's amateurs, but a few MLB teams are prepared to ignore the agreement for the 22-year-old right-hander.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/09112008/sports/yankees/bombers_brace_for_the_final_homestand_128486.htm



boom...

JavyVazquezIsSick
09-11-08, 01:50 PM
The bidding would be really ugly.

THEBOSS84
09-11-08, 01:52 PM
Why are we just hearing about this guy now? I don't like that fact.

OlgMvp
09-11-08, 01:57 PM
Why are we scouting Japan now? Isn't it more fun to just throw money at guys from Japan site unseen?

Hobbes40
09-12-08, 12:09 AM
Why are we scouting Japan now? Isn't it more fun to just throw money at guys from Japan site unseen?
No no no, it's preferable to underbid for a good Japanese pitcher, then throw 40 million at a bad one just to get even.

Anyway, with Stick scouting, we won't be signing any more Igawas.

Bleacher_Creature
09-12-08, 08:58 AM
Sox interested in Tazawa? (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2008/09/sox_interested_1.html)

The Japan Times (http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/sb20080911a2.html) reported that the Red Sox are one of a number of teams interested in Japanese righthander Junichi Tazawa, a top prospect who announced yesterday he will try to sign with a major league team in the United States rather than pitch in his native country's top professional league.

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/

THEBOSS84
09-12-08, 08:59 AM
I wonder what kind of contract this Tazawa gentleman would be looking for...

teknetic
09-12-08, 09:07 AM
Funky delivery that guy has.

Ynkcpt23
09-12-08, 12:43 PM
No no no, it's preferable to underbid for a good Japanese pitcher, then throw 40 million at a bad one just to get even.

Anyway, with Stick scouting, we won't be signing any more Igawas.

Getting even with Igawa...that needs to be on a large red "FAIL" t-shirt.

Hobbes40
09-12-08, 03:57 PM
I wonder what kind of contract this Tazawa gentleman would be looking for...

Isn't he more or less the equivalent of us picking up someone from an independent league here? He has nice numbers, but that's in Japanese amateur ball...strange situation. I am all for picking up good Japanese players but that's almost an unproven.

The reliever (Fujikawa?) sounds nice though, wouldn't mind giving that a serious look.