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Metroidman
04-25-07, 06:11 PM
How much long will the Cubs/Prior keep this up? Just retire already Prior

Metroidman
04-25-07, 06:14 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2849094

Rice14
04-25-07, 06:15 PM
It's incredible. A few years ago you could have offered the Cubs just about anything for Prior and they would have laughed. Was there a more prized posession on any team, say four years ago? Now, they couldn't give him away.

What a shame.

yankeebot
04-25-07, 06:20 PM
Prior went to Dr. Lewis Yocum in California before going to see Andrews, who told the right-hander last October he had genetic looseness in his shoulder joints. Hmmm, now where have I heard that before? :-ponder-:

Soriambi
04-25-07, 06:25 PM
It's a shame. It would have been a lot of fun to see what a healthy Prior might have done in his career. (As long as he stayed in the NL. :lol: ) It's amazing how thin the line is between greatness and obscurity.

wexy
04-25-07, 06:45 PM
He is the Carl Pavano of the Cubs or is Pavano the Mark Prior of the Yankees?
Too bad for him.

cubhater
04-25-07, 06:50 PM
Can anyone name a pitcher who's been on the DL nine times in his career without having surgery until now?

I know the Twins are smiling since they picked Mauer instead of Prior.

Casey37
04-25-07, 06:51 PM
Too bad for the Cubs. They haven't had much too luck with their starting pitchers.

Lucen
04-25-07, 06:59 PM
Did Prior ever get past his Arb clock and cash in on at least one pay day? It would really suck if he never did... considering how talented he is.

Edit: Nevermind... he's making a bit under 4 million this year and made over 10 from 2002-2006. As long as he wasn't stupid, he should be comfortable for the rest of his life.

Bob Saccomano
04-25-07, 07:02 PM
He is the Carl Pavano of the Cubs or is Pavano the Mark Prior of the Yankees?
Too bad for him.

Mark Prior, when he was healthy, was an amazing pitching talent. To compare him to Pavano, a career mediocrity, is an insult. Additionally, Prior's injuries have had a greater degree of legitimacy.

CallOfTheCrow
04-25-07, 07:04 PM
Mark Prior, when he was healthy, was an amazing pitching talent. To compare him to Pavano, a career mediocrity, is an insult. Additionally, Prior's injuries have had a greater degree of legitimacy.


Agreed.

Pavano misses time because of a bruised ass.

Yankeeah
04-25-07, 07:06 PM
By 2007 do you mean career? I'm not a doctor, but for the sake of being able to move his arm when he is older, he should call it a career. He has good money. He can give seminars or something for the rest of his life.

CallOfTheCrow
04-25-07, 07:11 PM
What kind of money has he been making over the years? I'm actually curious.

mitchrock
04-25-07, 07:12 PM
Pavano for Prior! Get it done Cashman!

CallOfTheCrow
04-25-07, 07:14 PM
because of this genetic looseness in his joints, I wonder if it's ever possible he can be healthy enough to pitch. It doesn't seem so.

Bob Saccomano
04-25-07, 07:16 PM
because of this genetic looseness in his joints, I wonder if it's ever possible he can be healthy enough to pitch. It doesn't seem so.

Pitching is strenuous on the healthiest of arms. Any genetic deficits he has will only exacerbate an already tenuous proposition. I'd say he should walk away from the game and salvage what he can of his arm and his health.

Evil Empire
04-25-07, 07:36 PM
Was 2003 his only complete year?

Lucen
04-25-07, 08:10 PM
What kind of money has he been making over the years? I'm actually curious.

From CoT's.


Mark Prior p
1 year/$3.575M (2007)

re-signed 1/07 (avoided arbitration, $3.875M-$3.4M)
performance bonuses: $0.15M each for 27 & 30 GS
1 year/$3.65M (2006)
re-signed 1/06, avoided arbitration ($4M-$3.3M)
award bonuses for MVP, Cy Young, Gold Glove, Silver Slugger & All Star selection

5 years/$10.5M (2002-06)

$4M signing bonus
02:$0.25M, 03:$0.65M, 04:$1.6M, 05:$2M, 06:$2M
may earn additional $0.75M in bonuses in 2005

2003 All Star selection increased 2004-06 salaries by $0.5M/season
additional $0.1M All Star bonus

Prior may void either of final 2 years (05-06) if he qualifies for arbitration after 2004 or 2005 seasons (exercised right to void final season (2006) of original contract 11/05 after qualifying for arbitration)

drafted 2001 (1-2), signed major-league contract 8/01
agent: John Boggs
ML service: 4.131

pedromartinezfan
04-25-07, 08:28 PM
What a talent gone to waste.

Stil, though, he's only 25, and its a long shot, but it would be really nice to see him have the career he can have. Even pitching 85%.

wexy
04-25-07, 08:31 PM
Mark Prior, when he was healthy, was an amazing pitching talent. To compare him to Pavano, a career mediocrity, is an insult. Additionally, Prior's injuries have had a greater degree of legitimacy.
You are right on both counts.

The Yankee Kahuna
04-25-07, 09:14 PM
A super pitcher will be made out of spare parts from Kerry Wood and Mark Prior.
http://www.sportspickle.com/features/volume6/2007-0425-andrews.html

Runan
04-25-07, 09:35 PM
A super pitcher will be made out of spare parts from Kerry Wood and Mark Prior.
http://www.sportspickle.com/features/volume6/2007-0425-andrews.html

:lol:

jimmyclark
04-25-07, 11:20 PM
Probably the only guy who is breathing a sigh of relief is Mark Newman, who played hardball and didn't sign Prior when the Yankees drafted him in 1998.

just-blaze
04-26-07, 12:07 AM
I remember when I got attacked and ridiculed for suggesting a Sheff for Prior deal.

Hmmm....:)

Would have been horrible for both sides, but at least Shef would have played.

ace
04-26-07, 12:41 AM
I am so tired of hearing about Mark Prior.

JeffWeaverFan
04-26-07, 12:44 AM
I guess it isn't all that unfortunate we didn't sign him when we drafted him out of highschool...

edit: jimmyclark beat me to it. Instead, he went to Vandy, before switching to Stanford.

mentalgidget
04-26-07, 08:41 AM
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edit: jimmyclark beat me to it. Instead, he went to Vandy, before switching to Stanford.

He went to USC

In Mo I Trust
04-26-07, 08:44 AM
Prior is the textbook example IMO of why pitching propsects are no sure thing. A few years back a physicist did a study on pitching mechanics, and Prior's were by far the best, almost perfect. And he still got hurt.

mdoats
04-26-07, 10:46 AM
I saw this kid pitch a few years back at Wrigley and he was absolutely dominant. He threw something like 14 strikeouts and made the batters look silly. Cubs fans all round the park had signs saying "We have a Prior engagement." He was their hope for the future. It would have been interesting to see what he could have done for the Cubs without the injury history.

yankeebot
04-26-07, 10:51 AM
Prior is the textbook example IMO of why pitching propsects are no sure thing. A few years back a physicist did a study on pitching mechanics, and Prior's were by far the best, almost perfect. And he still got hurt.
You cannot predict genetics. Perfect mechanics, regulated pitch counts, etc. are all well and good but some people are just genetically predisposed to being injured pitching. Nature does not plan for the 96 mph fastball or the 12-6 curve. That's why most pitchers that make it to age 25 without serious injury generally have a fairly low rate of injury for their career. They're mutants. ;)

DiMaggio5CF
04-26-07, 11:01 AM
Hmm, I've only met girls who have had genetic looseness, and it wasn't in their arm.

Yankees Empire
04-26-07, 11:40 PM
That sound you're hearing right about now is everybody within the Minnesota Twins organization thanking God they couldn't afford to draft Mark Prior and opted to take some guy named Joe Mauer instead.

It's really a shame. Such talent.

ARoDfan4life
04-27-07, 12:31 AM
yes I remember some basterds here had Prior and Woods for Alex Rodriguez on their wishlist , how does it look now

DaYanks24
04-27-07, 12:49 AM
Prior shouldve signed with the Yanks outta high school. He was cursed by the Cubbies.

Hildy910
04-27-07, 09:55 AM
Hmmm, now where have I heard that before? :-ponder-:

Good point. Disturbing to think about.

Okay, I'm pushing it out of my memory now. All is happy and shiny in my world still. ;)

Bob Saccomano
04-27-07, 10:48 AM
A friend of mine who's a Cubs fan sent me this via email:


In retrospect, '03 will be recalled as the year Prior and Wood threw an insane number of pitches in September and October, as manager Dusty Baker smelled history in his first season. Anyone who subscribes to the ravaged-arms theory needs only this evidence. Starting Sept. 2 through his Game 7 loss to the Florida Marlins, these were Wood's pitch counts: 120, 122, 114, 125, 122, 124, 117, 109, 112 -- for a total of 1,065. Prior's workload was more hideous, considering he was coming off a DL stint for a shoulder bruise after the collision with Giles. Starting Sept. 1, he threw 71 innings in six weeks, with these pitch counts: 131, 129, 110, 124, 131, 133, 133, 116, 119 -- for a total of 1,126.

And people think Torre's bad at handling pitchers...

In Mo I Trust
04-27-07, 10:50 AM
Wow that is crazy, what a shame.

mdoats
04-27-07, 01:37 PM
Man, I know Baker has a reputation for pushing pitchers, but those numbers are insane.

Jeff G
04-27-07, 04:27 PM
Hmm, I've only met girls who have had genetic looseness, and it wasn't in their arm.

Like sleeve of wizard?

ppa79
04-27-07, 04:52 PM
Its a shame what happened to Prior. He would have had a great career if he stayed healthy.